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Argentina will use AI to ‘predict future crimes’ but experts worry for citizens’ rights
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"Anarchocapitalist"
And honestly, even that's bullshit. You can't be anarchocapitalist and a social conservative.
lol what. I've never seen any ancap who isn't fascist by another name. all capitalists are conservatives.
You, sir/ma'am, are truly the most radical. I'm trembling at your epic levels of socialist fervour. You win, you can move on to a different thread now.
mfw i have nothing relevant to say:
Logical responses are only for logical statements.
sure buddy. "i was merely pretending" in action
Yeah but a lot of “anarcho” capitalists claim to be just another type of anarchist. This is the point I’m making, which is that they are very much not real anarchists.
Since it’s a shallow ideology with no strong moral principles, it’s not surprising that its adherents hold contradictory viewpoints like social conservatism.
Normal anarchism seems just about as coherent to me, TBH. In both cases they rely on a mythical hard-power vacuum that doesn't instantly collapse.
Depends on the strain. Whether it’s possible in large scale society is an open question but social anarchists at least propose credible ideas. Basically there would still be structures and organizations for managing society, they would just be non-hierarchical and democratic. These structures would have to be carefully designed to be able to maintain themselves without devolving into a state, but also be organized and strong enough to withstand external takeover.
Only one way to find out if it will work. But Rojava and Zapatistas have been doing similar things for some years now with moderate success.
And that's about as detailed as the plans ever get. How exactly are the non-hierarchical democratic councils laid out, and how are they any different from normal representative government/state? At best anarchists describe representative democracy with generous recall rules, at worst I actually have heard "all rules are repressive, there will be no rules, no further explanation will be provided". And that's not even getting into the economic questions, if this is going to be a non-market system.
I've seen pretty much the same argument from ancaps about their self-contained Gordian knot of contracts that never collapses. It's true, weird ideas that sound impractical work sometimes, so I can't prove it wouldn't, but I'm not holding my breath.
As for those couple examples, I suspect they work in a very different way from the theory, although again I can't prove it. Republican Spain never really approached the Anarchist ideal, at least, and that's the one there's good information on.
The fact that I am not an expert in the exact structures a hypothetical anarchist society could take doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Furthermore, as you allude to, their implementation in the real world would likely differ from any theoretical structure based on the experience and practical needs of the people involved. There are people building such organizations as we speak, and hopefully, as they gain experience, we can collectively learn which structures work and which ones do not.
In general I see anarchism as more of an aspirational process. The goals are to achieve human liberation to the maximum extent possible. Maybe it’s not possible to achieve complete global liberation (and I agree not to the extent that some individualist anarchists believe, i.e. the no rules people) but there’s good reason to believe it can be achieved to a much greater extent than current societies. I think that’s worth working towards, and even if we did achieve a more liberated society like Republican Spain, that process wouldn’t end there. We would keep iterating and tinkering to find the best and most free society we can reasonably attain.
I can certainly agree with all of that, even if we disagree on whether present liberal democracies are kinda far, or totally far from the ideal.
Anarchy: yet another term hijacked by fascists and mangled beyond recognition.
It's just extreme economic liberalism, small/no Government so that corporations can rule over us as warlords. It's a smokescreen for corporate feudalism.
As far as I can tell, ancaps are a tiny group of economics nerds that don't see the obvious flaw everyone else does. They legitimately do think we can have a comfortable, livable society where you never have to do anything you don't agree to, in their specific sense of positive agreement.
Actual fascists go for more convincing canards.