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Unless the democrats fuck up and pick someone over 70, it's a good win for them on this point.
Bernie would have been an excellent contender in 2016.
Contender? He should've been the president in 2016. Democrats had to fuck that up. Trump won mostly because people hated Hilary.
Hilary won the popular vote by almost 3 million because most people liked her.
She lost the electoral college vote because of a few really close states.
Yeah, against a playboy who didn't have any political experience or acumen whatsoever. This should've been a landslide victory for dems. I stand by what I said, Trump won because it was Hilary he was up against. If it were Bernie, Trump wouldn't have had a chance.
Even my dad, a blue collar welder in his late 60s, was totally on the Bernie train in 2016. If that doesn't tell you anything about how Bernie could have done, I don't know what will.
I have talked to several Trump voters that love Bernie. I mean it shows that they don't pay any attention to policy or reality even, but I think it shows that Bernie would have won.
The funny part is he wasn't even a Trump voter, he's really liberal for his upbringing and occupation; he was happy with Obama in 2008 too.
Just because she won the popular vote, doesn't mean everyone was happy to vote for her either
Same for Trump...
A few states that were really close because her campaign was up against a social-media heavy campaign that weaponized misinformation, and didn’t know how to respond.
She lost the electoral college because she rigged the primary.
In retrospect the margin was so thin that if she'd only modestly pissed off Sanders voters she would have won.
Indeed! That's why I said excellent contender. Because he would have beaten Trump easily.
I'm not so sure of that. Rich people from both parties might have thrown their money and power against the threat of even weak tea socialism.
I know what you're saying, and you're painfully right.
Hilary was beating the rapist with 34 felonies ass in the polls. The shit stain won because people thought it was a landslide and didn't need to vote. That won't happen again. She still won popular vote, something a republikkklown hasn't done in a hot minute.
Edit: Looks like facts hurt some snowflakes feelings.
The reasons Hillary lost in 2016 are varied.
Even with all that going on, she did end up as the Winningest Losing Candidate in American history. I HOPE that they are going 50 State Strategy this time around. Trolls look for weak points that they can attack.
Nah, Hilary was a fine choice despite her own personal and political issues. Despite not preferring her, I am rather confident that she would have not made a bad President. Perhaps not a good one, just also not a bad one.
Fucking shame what happened. Oi, Chaps! I say we bloody up this wanker with a side o' voting!
Sorry, channeling my stereotypical inner mocking British man.
Edit: I stand by what I said unless given compelling reasons to not do so. Maybe I'm remembering things incorrectly. It's been awhile. Make a case, don't care if it's a legitimate link. I'm happy to do a learn.
He wasn't a Democratic Party member in 2016. He caucused and partnership with them but if he's not going to be in the party, nobody should be surprised that he's not the parties pick or preference. He didn't officially join them until 2019. The circumstances might not have worked but be real the Democrats didn't fuck it up in 2016.
It's not like people like Kamala either
Trump was an "unknown" in 2016... he has since made his stance painfully obvious. I think a lot more people are going to be willing to pinch their nose and vote for VP Harris.
At least I hope so...
That's a wild definition of "unknown"
At the time, people only knew Trump was a misogynist, racist grifter. So, he was just a normal conservative. He also claimed to hate the government, so conservatives voted for him.
They didn't really get to know what a profoundly depraved sack of shit he was until he was president, at which point conservatives fell in love with him for being just like them. He truly is their most accurate representative.
I'm using the quotations as air quotes... but yes, you're not wrong.
I've grown to like her more in the last 24 hours as I read more about her actions through the last couple years.
Sigh. Try reading about her last twenty years, not the last 3.
Nah, more recent actions matter more
The recent actions when she really had no power but ingratiated herself even deeper into tptb?
Removed, civility.
Removed, civility.
Unfortunately Bernie’s leftist policies posed a slight risk to a small percentage of capital. So an all-out bipartisan effort to torpedo him ensued, and from the ashes emerged Planet Hillary.
Lol I'd say Trump was the one who emerged like an all-out villain, but yeah, pretty much!
Don't underestimate the DNC's ability to pick the worst possible option
Much as I like Bernie, but yeah, the same goes for him as for Biden.
I think Bernie is a pretty smart guy. he knows where he can be most effective - no trajectory change needed.
Sure. But he's getting up there in years too. Eight years ago I really wanted him to win.
I think everyone who had their name pushed and could have a chance at the convention has already endorsed Kamala Harris. They're pretty obviously trying to avoid a contentious convention.
That seems to be the goal. I think it's a good idea to not go too hard on Harris until the convention, but the excitement seems there.
Yeah it's a point they're allowed to make now, don't know how well it's really going to stick though. However so far the best republicans have against Kamala is that she... Laughs? That's a good sign. Like a lot of the stuff people like me on the left have against Kamala is stuff republicans wouldn't want to at her for.
I still really want AOC but with Whitmer bowing out I think Buttigiege is probably it.
Harris is a black woman. No way they're picking a gay man as her running mate. They're worried she has too much for the (X)phobic crowd on her own. I would be absolutely shocked if whoever they pick as her VP isn't a straight white man. You can say what you like about it but that's the reality of where we are as a nation.
The kind of people who would not vote for Harris because she's a Black woman were already going to vote for Trump.
There are absolutely people who are not concerned enough with race or gender to vote for a black woman but are still homophobic. Who knows how many people that is but I would bet a lot of money that the DNC has no intention of finding out.