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Strong disagree.
I live in a small bubble so to speak, and am only as good as what I see online and the few people I talk to about this. I would personally be way more engaged and excited if biden steps down, and so would a few of my friend/colleagues I'm comfortable talking about this topic with.
I think biden staying in is our worst chance at beating trump. If he leaves dem voters will be energized. If he and kamala are both out, even more energized.
I'm way way more nervous if biden sticks it out. Biden can barely walk without help, and barely speak coherently. The optics are extremely important. And now dumbass trump has that stupid fist in the air meme.
He needs to drop out now.
As someone that's mostly been an outsider, this playing out has given me more faith in the Democratic Party than I've ever had. For as long as I can remember, they've been the feckless, controlled opposition party that might occasionally throw some rights and economic opportunity my way by accident. When they lose a presidential election, it's always "aw, shucks, we'll get 'em next time."
This isn't that. This is the party publicly airing no confidence in their president in July in an election year. This is an emergency and they've broken the glass because there's a real threat to the country.
The glass can't be unbroken at this point. If somehow Biden still became the nominee, all Trump's campaign has to do is point out how his party doesn't even believe he should be president again. The senior party officials knew that going in, and it's why they must continue to mount private, public, and donor pressure on Biden until he gives it up.
Very well said, and I totally agree. I finally have some respect for the dem party specifically for this. I feel like the usual dem establishment tactics would dictate staying the course with biden, following procedure, etc. By them encouraging him to drop out this late, there is a respect given towards the voter base recognizing we really want someone else, and the real concern of making sure trump doesn't win. This is a truly progressive act, going against the norm, breaking the emergency glass very much needed.
Honestly I think we could destroy trump with a new ticket. The problem now is for biden to have the courage to make the right decision and drop out. If he doesn't ill have no choice but to vote for him, but yikes.
Biden is the best chance of winning. Any other choice means Trump wins.
Why do you say that? Every dem and "independent" I talk to tell me they don't want Biden or Harris but they'd be eager to vote for anyone under 60 who is even remotely progressive.
If Biden did a press conference with Newson tomorrow announcing he's passing his campaign to a new generation they would be totally psyched.
I don't care about arbitrary numbers for age, but Biden just looks lost. It's about cognitive decline. I'll vote him anyway, but a lot of normies think he's "too old" and that means he might not win against someone that should be very beatable (donnie).
Every non-maga I talk to is happy to vote for him. This idea that no one wants Biden is something I’m only hearing on lemmy. And the timing is pretty sus
It's possible your experience is very anecdotal. Everyone I talk to that is not magabrained says they'll vote for him, if they must. That's the key part: if they must. Most of them wish there was almost any other Democrat in there.
The polls show that 2/3 of Democrats want him to bow out, but apparently Biden and team is more concerned with his ego. Again, if he stays in, I'm voting for him. But I think the Democrats will get absolutely crushed all up and down the ballot if he stays in.
Where do you live? 1600 Pennsylvania ave?
Literally every point of actual data disagrees with you.
What did the data say for Hillary vs Trump? Pretty accurate eh?
Actually, yeah. That election turned out within the margin of error of the polls.
Everyone who was surprised by the result needs media literacy classes.
I'm just not buying that. I think Biden's people and a lot of people walking on eggshells for him may have convinced themselves of that (maybe). But I bet that narrative flips the minute he steps down.
I’m not buying that. Trying to change candidates this late in the game is such a bad idea that the only person that would suggest it is someone who wants Trump to win.
Given that every point of data shows Trump winning in a landside, and probably getting the house and Senate, if Biden stays in suggests that people advocating for Biden staying in want Trump to win.
See what I did there?
Fun fact, actual data supports one and only one of us.
Are you a Russian bot that wants Trump to win?
What did the data say for Hillary vs Trump? Was it accurate?
So.... Let me get this right. Your only response is literally a named fallacy?
What does your gut say the stock market will do next month, oh wonderful and correct Oracle?
My response was a question that you seem to be avoiding.
Your response was irrelevant. It's not even data. It's a literal named fallacy.
"Trump won once, so he will again" is literally the same statement.
Take a critical thinking class, cause you really don't know how.
Again, I’m pointing out that the predictions you’re using are inaccurate and changing candidates this late in the game would cause a clusterfuck so big it would be a guaranteed win for Trump.
Referencing a time when an election turned out within the margin of error of polling isn't really pointing out that the predictions are inaccurate. It's pointing out that you don't have the media literacy to interpret polling results.
That must be why the Republicans desperately want to run against him.