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Six motorcyclists rode into Death Valley National Park on July 6. Only five came out alive. With temperatures reaching 128 degrees Fahrenheit in California, the cyclists faced extreme heat exposure that killed one and sent another to a local hospital, according to the National Park Service.

When there’s a medical emergency like this, helicopters are typically dispatched to get people to a hospital. However, the extreme heat made it impossible for the helicopters to fly.

The next day, an emergency helicopter pilot in Stanford, California had to cancel a flight because the tarmac near a patient was too hot for him to land. As reported by The Washington Post on Wednesday, the pilot said he’d never seen temperatures this bad in his 27-year career.

Extreme heat, as many across the U.S. are experiencing this summer, can cause computer and mechanical systems on board helicopters to overheat and malfunction. But it’s not just a mechanical issue as air pressure is also a factor. Air expands when it’s hot and contracts when it’s cold. As it gets hotter outside, air pressure plummets. The air literally gets thin which means that spinning helicopter blades have less air to cut through and it’s harder for them to achieve lift. That makes it dangerous, and sometimes impossible, to fly.

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[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's a terrible idea, having been a biker in socal. You'd think ventilated fabric, even a regular t-shirt with air moving on you from your forward motion would cool you..

It doesn't. You're actually adding heat (thermal energy) to your body faster than it can be removed by your sweat glands, the glands cannot output water fast enough to match the thermal energy being injected into you as the hot air passes over your body. You actually need to insulate yourself with a wind blocking jacket, at which point fuck that, stop riding, and wait a few hours.

It's a very odd sensation, but you understand it almost without explanation if you've tried it... So what were these guys thinking, ignoring their body's alarm bells?

[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Once the ambient temperature matches your body's temperature, it's game over for your physiological cooling system.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

Not exactly. If it's not humid, you can still shed heat through sweating. Evaporation is an endothermic process. It's a physics equation involving primarily temperature and humidity, but also radiant heat and wind speed. Measuring the wet bulb globe temperature directly is usually easier.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You have to have wet bulb temperatures approaching body temperature for it to actually become lethal - you can still lose heat through perspiration if the humidity is not high enough.

Ambient temperatures of 36-37 C don't immediately mean game over.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

As long as you have enough water to keep sweating and you know, survive.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Naturally. If you don't have enough water to sweat then you're in trouble at pretty low temperatures in relative terms.

[–] abcd@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I heard it’s not even the core temperature but actually pretty low. When I remember correctly it’s around 34C. That’s a Temperature even we in Europe will experience in summer regularly.

AFAIK the second best thing to do when it’s really hot and you’re on a motorcycle is: Make your underwear wet with water and put on your outer layer as insulation. The water will evaporate through your clothes and prevent the body from creating too much sweat which will cause dehydration. Repeat when you get dry.

The best thing ist to not ride a motorcycle for long periods of time under these conditions. I would maybe commute for up to an hour but never ever go touring when the temperatures reach 40C. It’s just too damn hot and you need more water then petrol

[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

High humidity can screw your cooling too, even at lower temperatures.

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

That's not true, otherwise Phoenix would be unlivable. It's close, but not quite there yet.