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[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Really, these guidelines would have prevented the use of real bullets allegedly mixed in by the prop supplier?

Yes, really. Among other things the guidelines prohibit any real live ammunition on the set. There should be an armorer on-set whose sole responsibility is checking guns in/out and ensuring they are unloaded, or properly loaded with blanks only when absolutely necessary. Only people who have been trained in the safety guidelines should ever handle them. Each person who handles a gun, right down to the actors, should also inspect it, and treat it as loaded even when it isn’t.

You cannot reasonably argue that it's safer that an actor should read and learn what 40 years of experience and numerous accidents have taught an expert

I never said they did. It’s the responsibility of the producer(s) to ensure all regulations are followed. So they should have made sure the armorer did. It’s the job of the armorer to know the OSHA and other regulations involving firearms on-set, and adhering to them. The armorer should be instructing both the relevant cast & crew on established safety procedures. That should include how to safely check if a gun appears to be loaded, and if not 10000% sure, to check back with the armorer. Not with a random crew person but the person directly responsible for their safe use.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Only people who have been trained in the safety guidelines should ever handle them.

So an actor using a prop gun is required to know and follow safety measures for real guns?
Because that's really the consequence of what you write, because a prop gun could accidentally be real too.

That is not security, that's idiocy.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've gotta ask: how long have you worked in safety?

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

20+ years as a technical director at a theater where among many other things I’ve had to deal with the safety aspects of:

  • Prop firearms
  • prop knives & swords
  • stage combat
  • fire & smoke effects
  • objects like hammers, bricks, rocks, etc. thrown or swung at actors
  • Bricks and other objects falling onto actors from heights up to 15 feet
  • Sparks & other electrical effects
  • collapsing sets, sometimes with actors on/under them
  • falls through trap doors
  • glass bottles, ceramic vases, etc. broken over actors heads

Through a number of these I’ve also consulted with film & theater safety experts, fire departments, building/electrical inspectors, etc.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

That makes a ton of sense. I used to support set safety, including theatrical firearms, and reading your comment was like deja vu. You know your stuff. That's awesome!