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If child molesters don't have sexual interests. Why do they molest children? If they don't have pedophilic interests why would they be more likely to cross the line? Sorry I'm just a bit confused.
Power. Not a bad question
Rape is depressingly common during and after the invasion of a territory. You know what victims are overwhelmingly targeted? NOT the most vulnerable (children, elderly, prisoners, mentally ill), it's women. These sick freaks may get off on the power of the act, but don't pretend they don't have a preference. I think to truly stop this from happening we can't be reductive, we need to follow the science wherever it leads...
Most commonly severe sexual deprivation multiplied by antisocial tendencies and the ease of abusing a minor vs an adult.
Also in violent cases, similarly to adult rape, a sense of power over the victim.
On the point of "more likely" - pedophiles are still more likely to be child abusers; it's 1-5% of male population responsible for 25-50% of child abuse. Statistics is fun.
You're probably right about that point. The incel victimhood mindset is probably a primary factor. The word incel is often used pejoratively, but it is short for "involuntarily celibate", meaning they want sex but there are no willing partners able to consent... But that won't stop them if they get a good opportunity... Yikes.
Most incels are sedated by porn and drugs. That's a likely reason we're not seeing a huge spike in incel violence despite the ever increasing number of them. In previous times such men would be gathering around in street corners causing trouble and kicking grannies. Not today.
Male sedation hypothesis
OP is saying that by referring to child molesters as pedophiles, instead of child molesters, we risk scaring non-abusing pedophiles from seeking treatment. There are treatment programs for pedophilia, but social stigma can cause them to not be popular with the masses and lose funding.
Edit: I brain farted a bit and had a fib in there. Removed it.
As an OP, not exactly with your first point. As I explicitly stated, 50 to 75% of child abusers are, in fact, not pedophiles. They do not experience primary sexual interest in children, and would much rather have sex with an adult, all other things being equal.
Second is true.
Oops, thanks for pointing that out again. It's like 31°C here, and heat reduces my IQ. I read that bit, and then I immediately forgot it.
...did you read the whole post? He literally says that most child molesters aren't pedophiles.
I did, and then that bit slid right out of my coconut. Would you believe I had a long day? Thanks for pointing it out.
Fuck off with that hebephelia and ephebophilia isn't pedophila bullshit.
A lot of people commenting here need to be on a watch list.
I mean... that's the entire point of the post. You're throwing everything under the same umbrella without seeing any nuance because you just want a bad guy to vilify.
The distinction between pedophilia, hebephilia, and ephebophilia is so one can understand why that attraction occurs and how to overcome it. If all you do is throw a book at someone and say "bad" you train them to hide it away instead of seeking help to fix it.
I don’t have the context of the deleted comment but no, that’s not really what I got from the post.
Pedophilia, in the literature, is typically used as an umbrella term used to refer to attraction to minors. Intanophillia is a thing too. Hebe, infanto, ephebe, etc all really boil down to an attraction to an age group.
This post is about the difference between attraction and molestation.
It can't be overcome. It's hardwired. That's the whole fucking point.
One great about society today is that we can talk about mental health as real health. But when you get into these topics, it starts to break down. Suddenly now they are all criminals.
A good friend worked in a residential facility for people with troubled sexual issues. It’s just like any other mental health issue. Not every depressed person commits suicide. Not every schizophrenic does wild things in public. But once you broach the topic of pedophilies, nobody wants to admit that there are non-offenders who manage their mental illness out there
There's definitely a difference between someone attracted to a 17 year old and a 7 year old and conflating the two dilutes how much worse the 7 year old one is.
That never was about hebephilia, ephebophilia etc.
It was about the fact that most child abusers are not primarily attracted to any minors. Like, at all. Like, they are into adults.
Power and sadism. A general desire to inflict horror and extreme pain.