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[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

to many believers that is the truth

No? Just because some people believe it doesn't make it true. That's like saying because many people believe you can see the great wall of China from space, that it's true.

A millenium-old book which makes grand claims with no real evidence (and many things wrong!) to back them up so a pedo warlord could live a life of relative luxury with his several wives and conquer Arabia does not count as evidence by the way.

the butterfly effect for example why it is not possible

... The butterfly effect is well proven and very easy to see with simply a double pendulum.

Are you telling me what I can see right in front of me does not exist?

it is his choice, for how to exercise his love

Or to never exercise it at all clearly. Maybe it's because he doesn't exist?

Muslims believe that he is most loving so when we don't see it in this world the assumption is that we will get it in the hereafter.

Very convenient way of explaining away the fact that good things and bad things happen randomly and/or as a direct result of human actions, not as a result of "Allah" choosing how to "exercise love".

This world is not a place for justice and neither is it fair, for we get it in the hereafter.

How do you know that? There is zero real proof and any "proof" in Islam has been well and truly debunked. You can't just take an old book at it's word you know.

cannot say that this action is bad because you do not possess the ability

But Allah is infinite therefore he possesses this ability

What is "this ability" you're talking about? And Allah doesn't exist, sorry to break it to you.

That said, I feel for the families of the people who died.

[–] k110111@feddit.de 1 points 5 months ago

Firstly, i am happy and appreciate that you feel for the families of the victim.

No? Just because some people believe it doesn't make it true.

Im not saying it is makes it true. But because of my belief (and the belief of the people who died and go for hajj), it is truth for me.

In the end I am responsible for my actions, and my time here on earth.

The butterfly effect is well proven and very easy to see with simply a double pendulum.

Butterfly effect and double pendulum are both examples of chaotic systems. We cannot predict their motion because the tiniest changes lead to huge changes later on.

What I am saying is that, we humans can not predict what will happen because of the butterfly effect but since Allah is not bound by the laws of the universe (ie. He is infinite). Therefore the judgment that an action he took is wrong or right is not something we can know.

Or to never exercise it at all clearly. Maybe it's because he doesn't exist?

That's just your opinion and i obviously disagree.

Very convenient way of explaining away the fact that good things and bad things happen randomly and/or as a direct result of human actions, not as a result of "Allah" choosing how to "exercise love".

Again the difference between your statement and my statement is that my statements come from my belief in Allah and yours from your disbelief in Allah.

How do you know that? There is zero real proof and any "proof" in Islam has been well and truly debunked. You can't just take an old book at it's word you know.

My belief in Allah and thereafter is based on my personal experiences. And unless you experience it as well I doubt that you will become a believer because of my experiences. I do pray that you experience it as well but that's about all that I can do.

What is "this ability" you're talking about?

The ability to know both future and past. He is all knowing. In islamic theology, Allah exist outside of the universe and not bound by its rules. Everything else has to follow some rules/laws, he is the creator and everything else is created.

And Allah doesn't exist, sorry to break it to you.

Again, we disagree because of our belief systems.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

They seem to be saying "Allah can do this and you can't, therefore Allah is real." Which is a very odd attempt at an argument.