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The group’s president, Kevin D. Roberts, made the comments in an interview on “The War Room,” the Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon’s show on the network Real America’s Voice.

Mr. Roberts was discussing the Supreme Court’s ruling on Monday that presidents have substantial immunity from prosecution for what they do in office, a ruling that upended the criminal case against former President Donald J. Trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and that removes a potential barrier to the most radical elements of his second-term agenda if he is elected again.

“We ought to be really encouraged by what happened yesterday, and in spite of all of the injustice — which of course friends and audience of this show, of our friend Steve, know — we are going to prevail,” Mr. Roberts said, alluding to Mr. Bannon’s imprisonment.

He went on to say that “the radical left” was “apoplectic” because “our side is winning” and said, “And so I come full circle in this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 21 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I know Democrats are stuck with a shit candidate right now that supports an apartheid state currently committing genocide. And I know they're fully exploiting the fact that their opponent is Mussolini 2.0.

I know they're very critical of the current candidate, but what would they rather have? A psychopath extreme right dictator in charge of the world largest surveillance agencies, military force and nuclear arsenal, as well as one of the world's leading economy and biggest influence on the planet? Or a relatively sensible paraissent whose only flaw right now is supporting one wrong nation and whose position can potentially be changed on the matter?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Why is this the only choice? Why has the DNC failed at every possible opportunity to build a better political party that can actually win and use those wins to advance an agenda that reduces the power of the reactionary right?

When it is framed this way, the false dichotomy falls away. The DNC is reactionary and their policies outcomes are predominantly indistinguishable from the right's policy outcomes. They applaud themselves for compromising with the right and they constantly demonize and disempower the left.

The only conclusion we can come to is that the Democrats are in fact allies of the Republicans, but now we need evidence.

The debates are organized, planned, and operated by a coalition of the two parties who work closely together to create the theater we see. The Democrats refused to touch the filibuster to do anything to advance their agenda but worked with Republicans to bypass it easily to pass the budget. The Democrats currently hold executive office and the Republican supreme court gave the president unlimited power to discharge duties and instead of doing anything with that power the DNC candidate said they will not use the power, a clear signal to the RNC power structure to proceed without fear.

I don't know how much more evidence we need, how many more observations we need, how many more cops need to kill black people while getting more funding and more equipment, how many more mass murders we need the military to commit, how much more environmental devastation we need to see before we understand that both parties are not equivalent but rather we don't have two parties. We have one party with two PR firms running damage control, consent manufacture, and storytelling to advance one singular agenda.

Stop buying this bullshit that one candidate is the harm reduction candidate. Both candidates are put up by the same power structure and electing either of them is a win for that power structure against the people. The only win for the people is total destruction of both "parties".

[–] amberSuperMario@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

whose only flaw right now is supporting one wrong nation

you can't seriously believe this is true right

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

whose only flaw right now is supporting one wrong nation

'94 Crime Bill, eulogy of Strom Thurmond, Cop City, continuity of the 1033 Program, continuity of for-profit carceral slavery, (if you're not for carceral abolition, you are party and accomplice to slavemasters, and John Brown would've shot you) continuity of the southern border concentration camps, continuity of the southern border wall construction, destruction of Nordstream, mass-arrests of protestors, selling out our infrastructure and educational services to arm two different genocidal vassal states, one of which is blatantly illegitimate and carrying out literal Manifest Destiny on their targets; I could go on all night peckerwood

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you think Biden will change his mind on Israel slaughtering Palestinians when the death toll number doubles or triples?

His support team will make him have a nap before his next debate so it will go his sundowning will be more masked and the media will manufacture consent as always to make it seem like it is too late to run literally anyone else.

Kamala sucks but she would look like a spring chicken compared to Trump standing next to her spouting ridiculous likely misogynistic bullshit in a debate.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

You can criticize Biden, and you would be right. But I'm asking the question again. What would you rather have?

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 months ago

Complete destruction of the American system

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If a Democracy dies because people weren't willing to vote for Genocide, did a Democracy die?

[–] whatwhatwhatwhat@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I hear what you’re saying, but I’m pretty sure Trump will support genocide way more than Biden has.

Yes, it’s absurd that this is what things have come to, but I’ll still be supporting the lesser of the two evils.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 months ago

So genocide isn't a dealbreaker for you. You will not scrub the blood off your hands; and you deserve to collapse with the country when it comes.

[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Are you sure you considered Linkerbaan's position fully? If you are forced to choose evil, you don't have a choice, you are forced.

If you don't think you're being forced, then you're choosing to choose evil.
If you are being forced, then what does your choice matter?

Trump doing some things in the future isn't why your country and countrymen are onboard with genocide now and in the past.

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What would you rather have?

A non-fascist option. Abortion access, housing, not the world's highest incarceration rate (which Jim Crow Joe is directly, but not solely, responsible for.) etc.

You're arguing from a false premise.

[–] theComposer@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There's a lot of things I'd rather have, but we're not dealing in fantasy. What non-fascist options exist right now, or could reasonably be created before this year's election?

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're arguing from the premise that fascism is the only option and anything else is "fantasy". Is that what you really believe?

I was promised riots and unrest when Roe V Wade was overturned and there was crickets instead. What are you going to do in November after the democrats get Trump elected? Do before to prevent that current inevitability?

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So if you expect there won't be any protest and that people at just doing to fold over (like what happened in Italy or Germany) then what do you think is the best option???

THERE IS NO THIRD OPTION.

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"THERE IS NO THIRD OPTION" because you accept the options that you are given and try to convince others that they are acceptable options. They are not, stop deluding yourself.

People are "just going to fold over" because you keep telling them to! Stop doing the fascist's work, there are always other options but the fewer people who understand that means that more force per person is required to apply the needed pressure to make those options a reality.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sorry buddy. But you live in la la land.

Voting a third option will get Trump elected. The right is united behind him. If everyone else splits their vote, there doing to lose.

I fully understand your concerns. But this is the reality and I know it sucks.

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago

I think you misunderstand that I'm talking exclusively about electoralism. It can be a useful tool, but it's largely a scam.

I fully understand your concerns. But this is the reality and I know it sucks.

Can you please not just roll over and die. I'm begging for you to put up an ounce of resistance now before you need to put up a gallon later.

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 months ago

I'd rather have every single person for whom genocide is a negotiable suffering. I do not wish for a better world for settler-amerikans.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago

The Convention hasn't happened yet. He can still be replaced. We aren't stuck!