Oh fuck, I read about this in The Stranger (local independent Seattle newspaper) a while ago. It talked about stealthing and how it is a big problem. Overall a good bill IMO.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Stealthing

[–] lessthanluigi@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Thank you, I have changed it

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can't prove shit. After the fact there is no way to discern between consent revoked after approval and any other scenario.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, is it really sexual assault if you can do a plausible deniability? Good point! /s

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The unfortunate truth is no, at least not legally, and regret with consent is not assault.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Let me get this straight:

If a man removes a condom mid-sex, against his partner's wishes, and continues to have sex with her until his finishes inside her, you believe the issue here is her "regret" for having sex with a man that would violate her sexual boundaries, and not the fact that a man forced a woman to have sex with him in a way she did not consent to, that could have extraordinary negative consequences for her?

Fuck off with that sexist victim-blaming bullshit. Consent is fundamental to sex. Sex without consent is rape.

And don't argue that consent was withdrawn after-the-fact. Consent was granted on the condition that a condom be worn. The moment you insert your bare cock into her, you're fucking raping her.

I'm sorry I have to spell this out for you so graphically, but someone needs to explain consent to you since your parents never evidently never did.

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, my issue is that adult literacy is like 20%. Once you consent, condom on, you are now in a situation where whatever happens next is virtually impossible to prove, and proof is required to convict. All cases of withdrawn consent leading to an illegal act for any reason have a very high probability of being unable to be prosecuted due to being indistinguishable from a withdrawn consent compliance scenario or a full consent regret scenario, both are legal. The mere fact that initial consent put you into a sexual position means that either party can claim that consent was given at the time which is how you ended up in that situation to begin with... It becomes he said she said, which is a loss.

[–] Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah. It's a big, painful, complicated, disgusting problem, where law enforcement is a jackhammer, and the crime is a malfunctioning pocketwatch.

In my opinion, in order to make the situation equally unfair and dangerous for everybody, the law should be unfair and straight up just be biased in favour of the party in most statistical danger and least control (the penetrated party).

But that's the "best we can do, given an impossible situation" kind of solution, because the real solution is to deal with society's problems that cause the situation. Preventative rather than reparative treatment. Giving people what they need to be well, rather than depriving and punishing them as much as possible to keep them obedient.

And that goes against what our society is built around 🙃