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What else can be done to defeat Trump in November other than just telling people "vote"? (lemmy.world)
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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That only applies to criminal prosecution. You really think Biden is going to off a dozen or so House members?

[–] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago

"...Enemies foreign and domestic."

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No, because he's a coward and an appeaser.

Btw, your cope that it has to be the President specifically doing the acts is disagreed with by Sonya Sotomayor in her dissent where she states outright that this decision makes political assassination legal.

But you'd know the implications better than a SC Justice who works with the fascist members of the Court, right?

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So Biden can officially assassinate the entire Republican side and the supreme Court and because he was president when he ordered it, it is legal?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 17 points 4 months ago

That's the dissent's warning.

I guess the surviving members of the Court can reopen the question!

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, exactly. "They were insurrectionists bent on overthrowing our government, and it was a tough, but necessary, decision to protect the nation, which is my duty as President."

That claim isn't even entirely untrue.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago

But Biden himself came out and spoke about the ruling (paraphrasing) "we need presidents to use their power with caution and respect the (self imposed) limitations of it. I'll continue to do just that. The next guy might not do so and that's concerning."

Just a big ol' shrug from Biden... "I won't do it, but he sure as hell will."

Thanks Mr.Virtue... where is all that virtue when it comes to Palestinians?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

No. It’s new, and I haven’t seen the full transcript. I’m repeating what I’ve read in the news. Do you have a link so I can learn more?

I understand how the President could theoretically order an assassination then pardon. That was a good point I read in another thread.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

https://www.supremecourt.gov

Transcripts are posted after rulings.

Or you could just read one of the many, many, many articles quoting her dissent.

Or watch a video quoting her.

https://youtu.be/IOyItzldEBM?si=7qSrhX1P6npUdj0b

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You’re absolutely correct. This is the part that has been left out of every news article I’ve read, and is undoubtedly the most concerning:

And some Presidential conduct-for example, speaking to and on behalf of the American people, see Trump v. Hawaii, 585 U. S. 667, 701 (2018) - certainly can qualify as official even when not obviously connected to a particular constitutional or statutory provision. For those reasons, the immunity we have recognized extends to the "outer perimeter" of the President's official responsibilities, covering actions so long as they are "not manifestly or palpably beyond [his] authority."

So it’s not just acts committed by the President, but also ordered by the President.

It’s also vague enough that charges can get bounced around lower courts indefinitely.

Thank you again for the link. I didn’t see it when I first searched.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 3 points 4 months ago

It’s also vague enough that charges can get bounced around lower courts indefinitely.

Yup! It will be the 5th circuit almost certainly. It's the Republican rubber stamp circuit...

[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You could at least make it easy and post a link to the pdf

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Like you read it regardless.

[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not all of it, obviously. But if you want someone else to, you should consider not making them search through a different website to try to find it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's on the landing page, in the third "recent rulings" that helpfully even has Trump in the name, but go on.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The standard for citations has been established a long time and there’s no good reason to change it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lol

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh that’s right you have no idea what I’m referring to. My bad.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

LOL

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can understand how a person with no ability to articulate things wouldn’t grok or appreciate good citation design.

Ooh wait here we go:

LoL

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago

Said the guy "groking" things

🤣

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

a man can but dream...