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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 170 points 4 months ago (7 children)

As much as I disliked Steve Jobs, the man was 100% correct when he talked about companies rotting from the inside. They get taken over by sales & marketing types and the product designers and user experience experts get kicked to the curb.

[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 124 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Apple being the pinnacle of this. They were the first ones that made devices theirs, not yours.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 77 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, exactly. I find the shilling for MacOS a bit concerning, already from the article and also the comments.

A Mac feels more like yours than Windows? Just goes to shows how shitty Windows has become, not how MacOS is better.

[–] Veraxus@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago

Mac has always felt more like mine than Windows. Nothing has changed there.

And neither holds a candle to the pure, blinding, white light that is Linux. GNOME, KDE, the world is your oyster and the desktop is your choice.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In comparison with Windows and iOS, Mac OS is a paradigm of respecting the user. Of course that's only because the bar is firmly embedded on Earth's inner core.

[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah dude, holy shit. Cannot believe these comments here. Does anyone of the MacOs evangelists have an example of how MacOs "respects the user"?

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

They have the close, minimize and full screen buttons in the upper left corner instead of the upper right.

/s just in case.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do you understand what "comparing" means?

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 4 months ago

Apple has always been about locking down the system and forcing the user to do things the way Apple wants. Not only within one device, but also in locking down inter-device protocols and removing standard ones, as well as obfuscating information about the hardware, not letting the users make an informed decision. And that's already after the fact that you aren't legally allowed to use the system on non-Apple hardware.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

I used to use macOS and macOS used to have a true root user that you can enable. Sometimes after 2016 I think root was neutered and you can no longer do whatever you want. I don't like using macOS anymore.

[–] anarchist@lemmy.ml 43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Steve Jobs was no different from the rest in Silicon Valley who would spout virtues out loud while simultaneously undermining them in practice.

[–] realbadat@programming.dev 14 points 4 months ago

I'd even go as far as to say many of them today are just copying Jobs. He was a terrible person.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Apple didn't rot from the inside. It was built on a pile of compost. "End to end control" has always been the ethos of Apple.

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] wischi@programming.dev 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not if you payed for an "apple" but got compost. But of that's your thing you could try to eat it 🤣

[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Some people love compost, it's already half digested.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Not so much inside your home.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago

It's literally rotten.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They get taken over by sales & marketing types

Like Steve Jobs lol.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Yeah, he was a hypocrit and I despised the guy. Woz was the real hero of Apple. But Jobs did say that stuff, and he was correct in that moment. We see it over and over.

[–] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What are you on about? Yes they made sure their gadgets were easy to use, but Apple and Jobs were the pinnacle of "locking you in" on their ecosystem for the profit of it. Sure they weren't as careless about users when compared to Microsoft but they weren't too favourable of you using anything else. They invented this stuff.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

From a company perspective, it's a common sentiment. Google and Amazon have mantras around trying to stay agile and relevant despite being behemoths, and both have arguably kept into boomer tech territory the second they made a poor CEO hire. Microsoft had their Ballmer era, and while Nadella did a lot of good at Microsoft they've had a lot of failures in established divisions to be soaked up by AI and sales.

I think that all of big tech has struggled over the last 3 years. Sacrificing employee skill for shareholder value has ultimately moved them all into IBM territory, whereas the cool tech is happening at startups again. If AI is a bust, and another company comes along and eats their lunch in their established markets like consumer devices, web tooling, or cloud computing, they're in real danger of another huge set of layoffs and resetting their businesses to only core profit-making ventures. What I think we've seen companies shift towards death, Day 2, rotting from the inside, or whatever your business calls stagnation.

[–] someacnt_@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago

Jobs was quite good at UX, right? Will we ever have such skilled ceos