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Source: https://linux-hardware.org/?view=os_display_server

Reporting is done by users who voluntarily upload their system specs via
# hw-probe -all -upload

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[–] JASN_DE@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Reporting is done by users who voluntarily upload their system specs via
# hw-probe -all -upload

So not skewed at all...

[–] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Do you have a better way of measuring it?
In what direction would voluntary self-reporting of all system specs skew the display server statistic (and why)?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you have a better way of measuring it?

No better way of measuring doesn't mean this is a good way of measuring.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What way do you imagine would be more precise?

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What way do you imagine would be more precise?

Unavoidable analytics, apparently. Yay?

[–] refalo@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well do you want useful stats or not /s

But seriously, a lot of opt-in (that never get opted in to) data is insanely useful for developers, but it has such a bad stigma that we never get anywhere close to the amount of usefulness a larger dataset could provide.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Tbf a lot of that stigma has to do with trust violation.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A method that attempts to collect data from a randomized or representative population rather than relying on self-report.

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The fact that you need consent to get this data would make a randomized approach impossible.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes. It just may be possible that accurate poll data on such things isn't possible.

[–] conorab@lemmy.conorab.com 1 points 1 month ago

Steam hardware survey but that will skew towards gamers. That said, it would be a good indicator on how compatible Wayland is.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

err, why? actually it can be skewed against wayland(wayland users tend to be more security aware), and why the suprise, KDE, GNOME are wayland from the get go, steam deck too, hyprland and sway etc

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

It can skew either way equally. We're just left to do armchair psychology about the type of people who would submit data to this site. So the numbers are effectively useless.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why would it be skewed? What would be the cause for a subset of linux users, that upload hardware probes with extraneous information about their display server, to skew the extraneous data?

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[–] refalo@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Because a huge portion of the people willing to do this are already on Wayland, but I believe there exists an even larger percentage on X that are not submitting any data.

And another commenter said:

We’re just left to do armchair psychology about the type of people who would submit data to this site. So the numbers are effectively useless.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because a huge portion of the people willing to do this are already on Wayland, but I believe there exists an even larger percentage on X that are not submitting any data.

What is the basis for that assumption?

And another commenter said:

We’re just left to do armchair psychology about the type of people who would submit data to this site. So the numbers are effectively useless.

So because one cannot know which type of people submit data to the site it should be disregarded? That's basically saying any poll or questionnaire with anonymous yet unique answers are invalid. That's a pretty bad argument.

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[–] refalo@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anonymous polls are indeed useless for several reasons.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Man I spent 4 paragraphs saying what you just said in one sentence. 😅