Huh... self sufficiency is not a myth. There's many parts of the U.S. where citizens are off the grid, some more extreme than others. However, if and when the shtf, being self sufficient might make you an easy and weaker target. I believe men should be building relationships with other men in the community. To teach and learn from each other on how to be sufficient not just for themselves but for their community or communities even. Most importantly survival skills.

[–] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Super skeptical. They mine their own metals? Produce their own magnets? Forget their own steel? Make their own batteries? Could you provide a few examples?

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

There are a lot of prepper types out there who might be theoretically 'ready" for societal collapse, but yes, they get there by already having a stockpile of societal goods and materials and of course guns. These folks likely have a great plan for what they're doing when the bombs fall, but likely not a shred of the social and communal skills necessary to keep a functional society alive for the long term.

Maybe some of the more isolated amish communities could subsist for a while without injections of modern supplies, but even still we're talking about less an "off grid" lifestyle and more like "radically reduced technology."

[–] BetterDev@programming.dev 3 points 6 months ago

Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you here, but keep in mind none of those things are necessary for survival, and most such products can last decades if properly maintained.

I think you're arguing against the most extreme interpretation of what this person said.

To give you an example, I'll show you what it looks like if I were to interpret your comment in the same way:

In some capacity, you have to admit, self sufficiency is possible. Forged metal, magnets, and batteries aren't necessary to sanitize water, grow, forage or hunt food, or to build shelter.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Hm.. well for example in the U.S. we have the Boy Scouts of America, this organization teaches boys and young men survival and general life skills. There's a spectrum of "off-grid" citizens. One one side of the spectrum, they still work and make under the table money, which in turn they use to buy some resources. On the other side of the spectrum there's citizens who have no communication with the general population. I guess the best way to see these examples would be on YouTube - searching for survivalist, off grid, and or self sufficiency.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's wild how many people out there have really solid plans for what they're going to do when the apocalypse happens, but no plans for what happens in the subsequent months, years and decades after societal collapse.

It's almost like the hollywood portrayal of survival in a post-apocalyptic world is as good at portraying the struggles and hardships of day-to-day survival as they at portraying people eating breakfast or having phone calls like we do in the real world or like, how many movies and shows give us the view into what real people really do all day long.

It's that there's just no views to be had from showing an audience the main character working at their job for nine hours a day and navigating securing a promotion, just like there's no views to be had watching someone in a real survival situation shivering and crying every day for weeks at a time as they get sick and skinny and lose everyone they care about to infections and starvation.

Because fucking hunting and gardening won't save you if World War 3 or the Turbo Space Covid Cordyceps Aids virus strikes unless you are already adept at living completely off the land, which outside a few absolute nuts out there, nobody is ready for.

What will save us if the shit really goes down is community.

People don't survive, societies survive, it's why we have one now.