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Its a great show and Im enjoying it despite the massive, glaring world consistency issues.
Like what the hell happened to the NCR?
Or, you know, the lore of all of the games outside of Fallout 3 and 4.
Its painfully clear that Todd is salty that the worst two games in the fallout series are 3 and 4. So he's erasing the pre bethesda games and the best game(that respects the original lore), New Vegas.
So... I keep seeing people say this online.
I assume they're saying it before they finished watching the whole season. Because they do explain what happened to the NCR and explicitly acknowledge New Vegas in at least two very significant ways.
Getting rid of the NCR is ludicrous and is blatantly just Bethesda diminishing the creations of everyone who isn't Bethesda.
3 and 4 are the worst stories in the series. Yet Bethesda seems intent on making them the main stories.
I am dreading seeing how they incorporate New Vegas given what they did to the NCR. I would rather that they not even touch it at this point
Yeah, so... no, that's fanboy stuff. That's not how massive corporations make their decisions, not how artists make their decisions and, very specifically, not what is actually in the show.
Plus of course what you're saying is different to the online panic about NV "not being canon", which Bethesda has now explicitly denied. The NCR very much exists in the show, it's just been significantly downsized to early Fallout levels. Not because Bethesda is "diminishing the creations of everyone who isn't Bethesda", though. If I had to make an educated guess based on how reality actually operates, I'd assume it's because Lisa Joy and Jonathan Nolan wanted to make a show about a postapocalyptic wasteland and having a democratic government that has been running mostly fine for the past 100 years kinda gets in the way of that.
So yeah, welcome to franchising, where war never changes and neither does the status quo. It's mostly absurd that people in Fallout are still roaming around in reclaimed pre-war gear and doing the Mad Max schtick five generations into the postapocalypse, but Fallout gotta look like Fallout, so Fallout will look like Fallout until Fallout stops making money, at which point it will not look like anything anymore. Yay capitalism.
Hey, wanna know what they'll do to New Vegas? They'll probably do some variation on the plot of New Vegas. Mr. House and the Legion will probably still be around in some form despite it not making a ton of sense in continuity. Just like this season was all about leaving a vault to look for your missing dad, just like Filly just happens to have the same layout and landmarks as Megaton, just like there's a Dogmeat and just like Vault 33 now needs a water chip and will probably have to send someone outside to look for it. Because it's recognizable IP and recognizable IP has to be in the show so it can be fueled by recognizable IP.
Have you finished the series? Because I don’t think I agree with this at all.
Not one bit.
Edit: to explain further would contain massive spoilers.
I know what they are.
Trick is it directly counteracts the games. In the year the show happens is the same year new vegas happens. This is after the brotherhood was reduced to cowering in a hidden bunker with zero force projection capability.
The show is great, but its Bethesda fallout, not Fallout.
No it isn’t. The show is happening in 2296, 11 years after FO4 (2285). FNV takes place in 2281.
That makes it worse.
The western Brotherhood of Steel, at the start of new Vegas, is reduced to One Chapter holed up in One tiny bunker with no vertibirds, no supplies, no manufacturing. They have to send lone scavengers out in the cover of night just to steal enough food to survive.
The battle of Helios One ended the brotherhood as a major player in any capacity. They threw everything they had at the NCR and lost badly.
And you can’t think of them building back up (even one major chapter), with the help of other Brotherhood chapters, in the fifteen years afterwards?
That’s a failure of your imagination, buddy, not a shortcoming of the show.
The only other chapters are on the east coast, have no desire or ability to contact each other. Hell, the west coast group don't even know the east coast chapters survived, let alone thrived because they seized project purity. And while they made the trek before, the middle of the US after that became Caesar's Legion, 15 years after his fall it would be an impassable wasteland.
The east coast chapters were strong enough in DC to send out squads to Boston, but never anything more than a recon. Its even Bethesda lore in fallout 4 that they dont have the resources to move the Prydwin back to DC.
The NCR can make prewar tanks, power armor and vertibirds; they have a GECK.
Edit: to be clear: the only ending the western brotherhood of steel has to survive is to be absorbed into the NCR.
You have no idea what happened in the 15 years between FNV and the show, or the 11 since FO4.
All I’m hearing is that you couldn’t have imagined it, therefore everyone else is wrong— and that just makes you look like you have a very limited imagination, not that everyone else is wrong for coming up with a better story that you could have.
You’re very welcome not to like it, but you still haven’t laid out any solid evidence for your claims other than speculation.