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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 77 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Before everyone gets down on non-dairy milk drinkers, remember that the government subsidizes the hell out of dairy milk production to make it cheaper in the first place.

[–] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They subsidize soy, oats, and almonds too.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Is that accurate?

I used to buy a lot of soy milk since I'm lactose intolerant and it was cheaper than milk a decade ago. But now it's nearly the same price or double for the same brand. And now I'm wondering if it's a Soy conspiracy.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Most farming is subsidized, the debate then is which one is subsidized more. A bit of a specious argument at the end of the day.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 points 8 months ago

Pretty easy answer, though, considering 2/3rds of crops are fed to cows and therefor the cost of creating dairy milk is much higher.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Soy is heavily subsidized. It's the main crop in most Midwestern states, even more than corn.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

80℅ of the world's soy market is animal feed.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago

Yep, so a double subsidy for livestock. All farming is subsidized, which does have some value to keep farms producing an excess for times of need, but the amount of subsidies for some industries is insane. Republicans will talk about the free market and then advocate for socialized farming to buy votes, because they don't actually care about logic or consistency. The same is true for coal and other forms of dirty energy that should be stomped out either by the market by now or by reasonable regulations, but instead we've kept them going with taxpayer money.

[–] Rbnsft@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Isnt most soy used as animal feed tho? Or is it only from certain regions?

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

It's a capitalist conspiracy.

[–] reassure6869@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

More to the relevant point, those alt milks are still cheaper to produce and Starbucks has the scale to do so. You know what it takes to make oatmilk? Oats, sugar, water, small amount of oil. Almond milk? Replace oat with almond, except you can use more of the material.

[–] nowwhatnapster@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

In oatmilk the sugar and oil are optional ingredients for taste and texture. Almost all oatmilk brands contain salt for taste.

I've only found one brand that uses three ingredients, oat water salt. They charge a premium for it, but it's the best tasting one I've found.

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago

I think I'd rather get down with the sickness. (Because I'm lactose intolerant)

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago

Yep. I would LOVE to be able to consume dairy without shitting my guts out, but as that's not an option I get to either pay extra or go without.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Right? I would love to see a future where the right wing gets their way and makes calling almond milk "milk" illegal, but is also forced to stop subsidizing cow excretions. Do I buy the Authentic Cow Milk for $10 a gallon, or the Almond-Based Dairy Alternative for $6...?