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[–] bumphot@lemy.lol -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This just means that Sweden will have send their troops to fight wars in middle east for oil companies. Russia is hardly capable of attacking Ukraine that is right next to it and has some local support of some Russian citizens. They would never make it to Sweden in the next 100 years. But a lot of lives will be lost in the Middle East in that time.

[–] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

isn't NATO a defensive treaty? which would mean no obligation to participate in actions of aggression?

[–] bumphot@lemy.lol 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Only on paper. In practice there are many financial and military infulence that US gets when a country joins NATO that result in joining wars in Middle East.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Such as when America tried to lead everyone into a predictably disastrous invasion of Iraq, resulting in most of Europe telling us to fuck off?

Truly, the 'infulence' of America is mighty and all must tremble before it.

[–] bumphot@lemy.lol 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They actually did get Europe involved https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Training_Mission_%E2%80%93_Iraq#Other_NATO_Contributions Germany,France,Spain,Poland,Norway all of them ended up training armies for US oil companies invasions. Influence is there.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This was all after the invasion to support the fledgling new Iraqi government.

If ten trainers from Norway training the Iraqi military to resist terrorist attacks is your idea of an example of gross western imperialism, you'll have to forgive me for not being hugely convinced.

[–] bumphot@lemy.lol 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You took it out of a context of a bigger picture. Of course on it self it is not the end of the World, but it was a simple show of how US influneced NATO states to do its bidding to get oil. Other horrible things that they are doing around the World and other NATO invasions are what really puts it all toghether.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, it is not, and I'm not going to allow you to just walk back your claims after some inconvenience. To quote you yourself:

This just means that Sweden will have [to] send their troops to fight wars in middle east for oil companies.

No, it doesn't. NATO membership does not mean that anyone is forced to fight wars in the Middle East. If that were the case, all of NATO would have been roped into the Iraq invasion, but they weren't. The vast majority told America to fuck off during the invasion, and only lightly participated in some minor training operations with the Iraqi military afterwards.

And again, Sweden not being in NATO did not prevent it from participating in other NATO campaigns in a voluntary capacity. Your claim that Sweden joining NATO means that it's going to be forced to participate in all these Middle Eastern wars against its will simply does not stand up to even a cursory look at actual reality. You can believe whatever you like since it appears that you're immune to facts, but anyone else reading this should know that you're not saying anything based in actual evidence.

Also, if you really think that ten Norwegians trying to teach Iraqi soldiers how to resist the groups that later became ISIS is an example of the "horrible things" that NATO does, that says much more about you than it does about NATO. The world is actually more complicated than "US brainwashes the world into killing the third world because oil".

Cheers.

[–] bumphot@lemy.lol 1 points 8 months ago

They are not forced legally but practically indirectly. It is as voluntary as someone agreeing to landlords terms or those of your employer. Legally speaking, yes no one is forcing you, practically speaking you don't really have a choice and such a system was created on purpose so you can't have a choice. Once you start depending on US for their support in your defense, you need to scratch their back in doing an invasion or two so they keep supplying your weapons.

[–] Zanshi@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What's your source on that?

If none go spread your propaganda somewhere else, you're either a russian bot or a sympathiser. Either way you will find no friends here.

[–] bumphot@lemy.lol -1 points 8 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#Military_operations All of NATO wars were in non-NATO countries, all where offensive invasitions. They fight in MIddle East for oil companies. I do not sympathize with Russian government, they are just as bad when given the chance. But NATO is scarier. Calling people to support Russia when they critisize your government is insane.