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Holy shit, liberals need to wake up... Conservatives like these cretins because conservatives ARE these cretins.
It doesn't matter why someone punches you in the face if everyone agrees it was uncalled for. Stop letting vile people shit out gaslighting excuse after gaslighting excuse.
They. Like. The. Cretins. Pointing out that they're cretins HELPS their popularity with cretins. Holy fucking shit liberals, grow up. Not all people are good people, and you need to DEAL WITH IT instead of DENY it.
They like bad people because they are bad people.
You said a whole lotta words here but I’m trying to understand what your point is here. Are you saying that liberals don’t call out republicans for this stuff? Because they do all the time, so much so that they’re called over reactive or snowflakes, but you seem to be asserting the opposite.
Looking for a one or two sentence summary if you’re up for it and are comfortable compacting down what you’re saying here
What I mean is liberals constantly behave as if conservatives are all just ignorant little innocent children, unaware of all the bad things their policies would bring about. Precisely because Republicans constantly gaslight liberals about their reasoning, and liberals buy the excuses!
While specific, individual conservative voters might be ignorant morons who are otherwise good, the VAST MAJORITY IN POLITICS are disgusting monsters of "humans" who manipulate the idiots. There is no amount of enlightenment that will make them magically care about their victims.
Liberals NEED to understand that there is no such thing as post-history. The worlds' problems are far from solved. We didn't magically solve governance by creating an insanely flawed democracy over monarchy. The conservatives want to go backwards. Compromising with them is literally only deciding to drag down and potentially reverse progress.
I point out we keep going right by compromising with the establishment party nominee and we need to vote third party but everyone in threads where I've done *this act like I'm Satan and say "THIS IS THE ELECTION WHERE THE DEMOCRAT VOTE IS MOST IMPORTANT! IT'S NOT THE TIME! A THIRD PARTY CAN'T WIN!" for nearly thirty years (I was a meeting who backed Clinton. I'm reformed).
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Yea, there are morons everywhere. Voting third party is literally just a vote for the other guy in first past the post. Even if we magically somehow made neither Joe Biden nor Trump past 50%, politicians just get to pick, and they would NEVER pick the third party spoiler candidate.
Keep in mind a lot of rabid pushback against the left is literally Russian and Chinese political trolling. You don't have to take everyone saying something stupid seriously.
Hell, even if they're being honest, they're still dumb. An idea doesn't have to buzz around and bite like a fly. Ignore 'em if they troll or are as dumb as a 13 year old that just learned "conservative" is also a political word.
The US needs a a legitimate grassroots movement that is well-funded (fucked if I know how to be honest, hopefully it’s just a lot of small donations from regular people) that consistently lobbies for voting reform. The following changes should be up for debate:
I’m sure there are plenty of others but if all of those things were managed to be achieved, the body politic’s state and Overton Window of the US would shift dramatically.
I hear you. I need to let this soak in.
The primaries are for voting 3rd party and the general is for falling in line in a FPtP system. It sucks, but it's reality. Voting for anyone but the better candidate in the general directly benefits the lesser candidate. It's your prerogative to vote how you want, but it's important to note the above facts when doing so to be best informed.
Ahh, "hate the have, not the player!"
When there are no players, there is no game. Thanks for proving my point.
All I proved is that your point has no merit. Like I said, how you vote is your choice, and that's great, but there are implications to who you vote for. You can either accept the reality that in a FPtP system, there are two options, or you can live in imagination land and pretend that your actions mean something that they don't.
If your moral compass tells you that voting for a third party candidate is what you need to do, then do it. Just know that it's also a vote for Trump, and if you somehow think that's a better option then voting for Biden, then you never had a moral compass to begin with.
To address your analogy, there are players in the game, 2 of them, and you're talking about voting for the ref.
No shit?
Liberals are pointing this stuff out to energize their own voters, not to convince Republicans to switch. They might wish for some conservatives to come over, but that is not the real primary reason.
No, they are not. They say this stuff because they genuinely think there is such a thing as an "undecided" voter with Republicans. They genuinely think they're being good stewards of a "big tent" party, when all they end up doing is capitulating with dishonest actors which directly helps the country slide further and further right.
If the DNC were a person, they would be, completely and legitimately, the type of person to stare the devil in the face, fail to recognize the evil, and ask, "friend?".