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[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think the atheism you are referring to is teenaged angst filled atheism. They are lashing out at their oppression. They can come out of their shell later into a more refined version of atheism.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Fair point, but it’s not atheism, and shouldn’t be associated with it. It’s more like just teenaged angst that assumes the title for the purpose of appearing edgy.

Atheism has a bad enough rap on its own. It really doesn’t need people making it out to be something that it’s not. Especially something hateful.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You also have to keep in mind that most people, even atheists, only know the religion of their upbringing. Talking shit about something that you didn't "grow in" is usually more difficult, as it requires a minimum research (or "research")

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Atheism isn’t about talking shit. That’s my point. If all you do is talk shit, you’re not an atheist. You’re just a hater that doesn’t believe in Christianity.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That’s my point. If all you do is talk shit, you’re not an atheist

Do you believe in a god? No? Then you're an atheist.

Simple

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you single out one religion to hate just because it’s edgy and cool?

You’re not an atheist, you’re just an asshole.

Simple.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Again, lack of belief in a deity is he only requirement for being an atheist

If you don't like that people bang on about Christianity because they live in the part of the world where that's the dominant oppressor: deal with it, nobody cares that you don't like it :)

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I care. So there goes your nobody argument. Care to offer up any more inaccurate blanket statements?

The fact is- edgy wannabe atheists are giving the ideology a bad name. I’m not going to argue this with you. Deal with it, I don’t. Are that you don’t like it.

(See how that works?)

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago

Lol, pretending like "nobody cares" is invalidated by YOU caring shows you don't know how our language works or are doing it on purpose to be a prick

The fact is- edgy wannabe atheists are giving the ideology a bad name

I don't disagree entirely. I also don't care if it is or not

I’m not going to argue this with you. Deal with it, I don’t. Are that you don’t like it.

You're the one who's going to have to deal with t since you're the one who's butthurt.

Your pathetic attempt to turn my own words on me fails miserably when you're the one who cares about the topic, not me. You come across as a petulant, whiny child who thinks copying the adults words means they win.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Atheism has a "bad name" insofar as it can be said to have because theists in general and abrahamic religions in particular tend to believe that disbelief is immoral in and of itself and that without fear of punishment or hope of reward users will be less moral. In fact disbelief is morally neutral and atheists are on average more moral people because real morality is virtually always rooted in empathy, guilt, and shame not fake rewards.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago

And angsty teenagers aren’t helping with non theists.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If I invite you to try a butt plug and you decide you don't that sort of thing I shall not insist you try a range of sizes and shapes and shall instead accept your assertion that you don't like the category of thing on your word as you are the foremost authority on you. If someone tells you they don't believe that the universe has a sentient first cause available for consultation or prayer I shall accept their word that they are in fact an atheist.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Okay, let’s use your little example.

You many not insist I try a range of sizes and shapes, but you’ll call me names, suggest to everyone that I’m the reason everything is shit- and chastise anyone that agrees with anything I say simply because I don’t agree with your suggestion.

In the end, you’re still just as bad as those you hate.

(Pun intended)

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I don't think people who are theists are BAD in the first place for being theists I think they are wrong and likely unintelligent but I don't think they are bad for having beliefs. I think they are bad when they try to impose their beliefs founded on nothing on others.