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[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Fucking horrible. Hopefully more care will be taken for the chutes but honestly those things are looked after pretty carefully and closely to begin with. This is just awful. Blame lies 100% with Israel. If they weren't war criming it up around here and blocking all other paths of aid to the Gazan citizens then this shit wouldn't have happened. A truck doesn't fall on someones head randomly and that package was only dropped because BiBi is Goebbels 2.0. Frothing at the mouth with hatred, bile and bigotry in an attempt to wipe peoples off of the face of the planet in some idiotic bid for purity of the homeland.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You don't think America has any share of the blame for enabling this genocide?

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The US is not blameless for what is going on.

However, ultimately Israel is the country that is carrying this out, if people like Netanyahu and his cohorts weren't pushing for this, it wouldn't matter how much money, weapons, and other support the US gave them, this wouldn't be happening.

If the US pulled all support, Israel could and almost definitely would press on with it, probably not as efficiently as they are currently, but still the war would continue. Maybe the US pulling support would lead to a quicker end, maybe it would just drag things out, maybe it would lead to extreme escalation with a desperate Israel choosing to use their nuclear weapons either against Hamas or against other Middle Eastern nations that choose to get involved without the US acting as a deterrent.

The US helped create the circumstances that allowed this to happen, but the fact that it is actually happening is on Israel.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If the US pulled all support, Israel could and almost definitely would press on with it, probably not as efficiently as they are currently, but still the war would continue. Maybe the US pulling support would lead to a quicker end, maybe it would just drag things out, maybe it would lead to extreme escalation with a desperate Israel choosing to use their nuclear weapons either against Hamas or against other Middle Eastern nations that choose to get involved without the US acting as a deterrent.

Yeah just like the previous three times the US threatened to pull support and israel instantly stopped doing war crimes...

People are still under the impression that the army that got completely owned by dudes with water pipe rockets can support a full war without American support? Especially with Hezbollah in the north...

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Israel certainly shares the lionshare of the blame. But had Hamas not launched the attack on Israel, where they too killed women and children, this wouldn't be happening. So you have to give them some of the blame in this shit show too.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Only a racist sociopath would kill the perp's familiy, friends and neighbours as reprisal and these guys have openly admitted it's reprisals.

The kind of talk they use, like blaming Palestinians as a whole for Hamas' actions, calling Palestinians (not Hamas, Palestinians) violent and even calling them "human animals" just further confirms the racist sociopathy of the Israeli leadership and those whom support them.

It's not by chance that people are now calling them Nazis: it's the same cold calous murdering along etnic lines and even the same style of dehumanizing discourse and excuses as the Nazis.

All this was already going on as a slow burn before Hamas' attack, one act of settler/army violent theft and murder at a time, low key enough that outsiders couldn't quite tell it for what it was (good old Lebensraum), but now it's a full fire, visible to all.

They've always been Nazis, but now they're going for making their very own Holocaust.

[–] Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

too killed women and children

Frequently this shit is said I always wonder, are women equivalent to children, is it okay to kill men, or both?

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Historically I think it's because women were almost universally noncombatants, but Israel has compulsory service for everyone. It seems like an anachronistic distinction.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hamas could surrender and end the war right now. It's 100% on Hamas now.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Israel could surrender to Hamas. But I'm sure you have some reservations about that outcome. Strange how you wouldn't consider palastinians reservations to that as equal. Or maybe you don't need to operate on the concept of unconditional surrender just to justify your dick wagging

[–] i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

are you actually serious? israelis surrendering to hamas eventhough hamas attacked first?

this website is cooked

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, Hamas attacked first on October 7th, and before that it was all sunshine and daisies and everyone held hands and sang and Israel definitely hasn't been conquering Palestine since 1948.

[–] capital@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Israelis can just go back to the lands they were originally driven from, right?…

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Which we can keep tracing back to ceasefires that keep being broken by israel such as the Al Aqsa raid.

Point is that the notion that this somehow started on oct7 while israel was bombing Gaza just two weeks before is ridiculous. There was no ceasefire at the moment of the attack.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My understanding is that Hamas has also repeatedly broken ceasefires. It doesn't seem like the ceasefire agreements are as effective as they should be.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Because israel keeps attacking the west bank. They just can't help themseles from not doing ethnic cleansing. Or claiming Hamas fired a rocket and just attacking Gaza.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I am by no means an expert, but I've been hearing about the conflict from both sides for several decades now. My take away is that both sides seem ideologically opposed to the existence of the other.

If Israel stopped all aggression today, I don't think it would stop the rockets; likewise Palestine could halt all aggression and still be attacked by the IDF. Lasting peace will require a shift in perspective, which gets harder to imagine with every day of the invasion.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Heavily disagree. Israel has always been the agressor especially in the west bank. The entire existence of israel is illogical if not for them being a colonial agressor.

Their strategy is to violate boundaries until someone retaliates and then they "self defense".

They used to drive their tractors over borders even when told they could not. Then when they went so deep they got shot, they needed to "defend themselves" onto their land. As a "buffer zone".

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I can see an argument for Israel being the original aggressor, but the idea that Palestinians have never taken a turn is baffling.

If Israel were to cease all aggression immediately, would a lasting peace follow? It seems like a lot of people won't be satisfied unless Israel is removed from the Levant.

[–] i_have_no_enemies@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

they are only blocking multi purpose aid, single purpose is allowed

[–] filister@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Anesthetics, crutches, dates. Inside Israel’s ghost list of items arbitrarily denied entry into Gaza

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/01/middleeast/gaza-aid-israel-restrictions-investigation-intl-cmd/index.html

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

And who decides what's allowed?

a) An independent international oversight institution?

b) The very same guys currently blowing up Palestinian little children with 2000lb bombs?

Oh, look, it's Option b, and your "argument" is one for the Hall Of Fame Of Hypocrisy & Genocide Excusing.

Congratulations, your Genocide Apologist Certificate is on the mail.