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This is a great step forward for equality
Real equality is the state demanding you get in that fucking trench
I'm not sure if Denmark is one of those but for some states there's unfortunately little choice. Not like we in Finland want to be next to Russia. But only men having to serve is an obvious equality issue.
But donβt you think only women being the only ones in charge of giving birth to the next generation is an obvious equality issue, too?
Well, we can't change that with legislation but we can change who gets conscripted
Sounds like something a crazy dictator would do.
What a softie. A real dictator would say something like
Average Putin moment
There's plenty of choice that doesn't involve giving up your rights and become a slave to an authoritarian government. Such as voting for people who's goal is to help people and not exploit them, or fight against and not support corrupted politicians.
How does me voting for "people whoβs goal is to help people and not exploit them" going to make Russia any less of a shitty and threatening neighbor?
Rulers and governments don't care about people, they care about profits and wealth. Pretty much all the west is in commercial partnership with countries arming russia like china. It's more profitable for them to keep making business with dictatorships like Emirates and building weapons rather than working toward peace and against other corrupted governments
I really don't understand what you are saying or offering as an alternative here.
Re read what i wrote I'll also explain it to you again:
Politicians and rulers, the ones in charge of pretty much every government are mentally ill individuals devoured by greed and lust for power. They do not care about others if not strictly out of personal interest. They are professional liars. As you can see right now in Gaza and as you can read in any history book these corrupted mafiosi seek war and use it as a tool to gain more wealth and power. They do not want peace, if not once they have put their filthy hands all over the place and to make sure nobody challenge their authority. The alternative to war is to strip these criminals of power and seek justice. Not making more nukes, not dumping trillions on weapons, not invading other countries, not mass surveillance, not beating protesters, not putting in jail Whistleblowers and not forcing everyone to fight for a country. Russia and Israel both have mandatory conscription, that's one of the really reason they can do what they are doing right now. Russians are chilling in dubai right now, next to western politician and billionares yachts. Building weapons, increasing their power and forcing everyone to be their slave is their dream, they don't care about helping people.
I really am trying but I'm not sure what you'd want me, a Finn, to do to solve the issue of the threat of Russian aggression. I really don't see many alternatives to us having a credible and strong defence.
As Finn If you want a credible and strong defense purge your country from corrupted politicians who only care about wealth and profits. Vote for people that are against dictatorships and authoritarian states like russia, usa or china. Keep in mind that the whole system is rigged and the government and media have a strong grip on public opinion. Help your neighbors and organize with other people to improve the quality of life of everyone around you. Feeding your current government and giving up your rights will only make things worst for your own security and that of others. Stand your ground against propaganda, think with your brain and never listen blindly to orders.
How does this prevent Russia from attacking?
Why would they want to attack you?
Seeing with how they've waging a war of conquest in Ukraine I think that might be one answer. With Russia you don't have to think very hard when they're constantly threatening their neighbors if not outright attacking them.
So how would your suggestion save us from such possibility?
Usa seem to be doing the exact same thing, what's your plan to defend from usa if they decide to invade your country like they did with iraq?
Russia invasions are made possible thanks to billions of public money spent on weapons and because of mandatory conscription. If your goal is peace and not invading other countries you want to do the opposite of what they are doing.
If someone decides to attack you, you will defend yourself better as a free man not as a chained slave
We don't live right next to the US and haven't had to deal with their bullying and hostility for gods' knows how long. So Russia seems a tad more likely candidate to attack us. But the military isn't just for a single target, even if that target is the most likely one. So the strategy I assume would be similar in very broad strokes of utilizing a large, trained reservist pool to fight the US.
So what would that be, spend very little on defence and rely on just a volunteer army?
Pretty unfortunate if reliance on just that ends up with me being an even worse sort of slave, this time to Russian masters.
Neither does iraq
If someone doesn't want to volunteer for you out of their own choice you are probably evil
Your assumption is that being forced to fight by a corrupted government somehow makes you a stronger fighter and that not being limited by anyone somehow makes you automatically lose. This is absolutely true for politicians because the moment nobody fights for them their rule is over.
Too bad that was the only argument for why Russia is the one that's a bit more likely to attack us. You got me there, USA is the one that we definitely should be talking about.'
I think that makes everyone evil, which does level the playing field I suppose.
No, that's not my assumption at all. The whole discussion is about country level capabilities, not their strength of will or so such thing.
Ever heard of "solidarity"? You can't just live safe while your countrymen risk their lives to defend you. If you don't like it, you have plenty of time to emigrate in peacetime.
If shit hits the fan, it's too late. YOU made the choice to stay in a country where you were obligated to defend you neighbour if called upon. You can't reap the benefits of collective protection and responsibility and then run off when it's time to step up and do the dirty work.
Yeah ever heard of solidarity? Fucking up people daily like governments and politicians do it's the opposite of that
So if you were a 17 years old russian you would buy a one way plane ticket and leave the country?
Sound like you are putting the blame on people rather than the corrupted politician criminals responsible for all of this.
I don't see Russia, or other authoritarian countries mentioned in the thread I'm responding to. This is about conscription in a democratic country where only adults are conscripted.
Telle, what other choice do the Ukrainians have other than fighting? Or do you mean the Denmark government as authoritarian government?
The choice should be up to the people to begin with, instead their authoritarian government has decided that no man between 18-60 can leave the country. Ukrainians are not the ukrainian government.
What a step, everyone should be a slave with no discrimination of sex
The best way to become a slave to a state is not to have a good defense. Just ask any neighbor af Russia.
Brainless serving in an army is not defense. People can defend themself better when they are free not when they are forced to obey corrupted rulers orders.
The step from "Denmark" to "Corrupted rulers" went a bit fast there.
You are aware that Denmark allows political parties and movements to oppose conscription, and that anyone strongly opposed can emigrate and denounce their Danish citizenship? Nobody is preventing anyone from doing those things. If you don't do them, you are implicitly accepting the social contract in the country.
Yeah 17 years old about to be conscripted can just leave the country if they don't like it, fuck them.
Have you ever been conscripted into a democratic army? I have been. We were very well taught which rights we have, what the rules of warfare are and when we are oblieged to disobey an order.
It's true, a conscript has less freedom than a not conscripted citizen. But if you really believe a conscript (in a democratic army) is even remotely comparable to a chattel slave, you should try reality instead delusional ideology for a change.
Since you like it so much you should go ahead and try some reality in the ukrainian front, perhaps in the russian side where conscript gets send to.
Slaves are very well taught which rights they have too, when you don't have many it's easy to teach.