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[ElderCactus] There were worse outcomes (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago by Stamets@lemmy.world to c/comicstrips@lemmy.world

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Pilate did seem to be pressured by the Jews into crucifying Jesus. Even with the Barrabas incident where they freed a literal murderer to still have Jesus killed.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that does seem to be the most likely scenario. But on the other hand, I take the Bible's take on Romans about as serious as their take on the Babylonians: it's hard to know what parts to trust and what parts were made up to make the Romans look bad.

The whole Barabbas story is rather questionable; random, unwarranted executions were something Pilate was kicked out for, and there aren't any independent source backing up the whole "releasing a prisoner at the request of the people" story. I don't think many scholars believe this story actually happened as described.

Plus, there are the many alternative interpretations, like the idea that Barabbas was not a murderer, but rather the son of Jesus and Maria Magdelena, and that making him a criminal was the work of badmouthing by a Christian sect that believed that Jesus died unmarried and without children, or that Jesus and Barabbas were the same person as some dedicated scholars believe.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I took you seriously until you tried to propose that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, these "scholars" must be mental if they seriously think that.

Also worth mentioning Barabbas's first name was also Jesus (or Yeshua) which if it were made up, wouldn't make any sense why a criminal would be given the same name.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I took you seriously until you tried to propose that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene

I don't think it's a popular take among religious scholars at all, but from a non-religious view, I don't see why not. There's a lot about Jesus' life that's been altered throughout the years.

Also worth mentioning Barabbas’s first name was also Jesus (or Yeshua) which if it were made up, wouldn’t make any sense why a criminal would be given the same name.

Barabbas' name means "son of the father", which already sounds oddly specific in this context.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Was a common name. Even shows up in the talmud

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 points 7 months ago

Sure, they didn't invent the first name out of thin air, but given that there is no source outside the bible that this "freeing a prisoner condemned to death" practice had ever been done before, I think it makes a lot more sense.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We finally arriving at the end of any christian fundamentalist arc - Jews bad. Shorter than expected.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are you really trying to equate me stating historical fact to me trying to propagate anti semetism? Even though the Jews in the times of Jesus were completely different to the Jewish people nowadays? That's like claiming that the Japanese did war crimes in WWII is some form of racism towards the Japanese.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nah, at this point Im just having fun. You are like a really fascinating animal at the zoo for me.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Then why do you keep following me about?

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not following you, you just keep appearing with your missionary work in the same places I happen to be. So I'm making the best out of it by having some fun. And by the way, jews killed jesus is a popular antisemitic trope.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's people killed Jesus. Judaism was kinda like Christianity at the time. Nobody's emphasizing that it's the fault of Judaism.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

By "nobody", I meant nobody in this thread.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

How should I know? Also the dude I responded to is a christian fundamentalist - so I would not be so sure.