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Stop the Worsening Undercount of Palestinian Casualties in Gaza (nader.org)

submitted 8 months ago by mozz@mbin.grits.dev to c/news@beehaw.org

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[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You do realize that I’m the one that posted this not exactly pro-Israel article, right? I.e. I’m on your side on a certain amount of this, at least?

I apologize; I am very sensitive on this topic, and I was being too aggressive.

If you’re of the opinion that any peaceful business being done by anybody, any progress whether fake or real, all of that has to go on hold, for your allies and enemies alike, so that you inflame the killing and bring a real war, with the aim of finally reaching this distant day when all your enemies are dead, women and little children, the guilty and the innocent, then I don’t support you.

Agreed. Violence becomes self-perpetuating at a certain point because a desire for peace takes a back seat to revenge, or peace only on one side's strict terms. I'm not sure I'm ready to declare that dynamic present in Gaza, though; Hamas has never existed outside of Israel's violence, so it's impossible to say whether they would eschew true peace in favor of revenge or not, seeing as they've never been given the option.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 8 months ago

I apologize; I am very sensitive on this topic, and I was being too aggressive.

All good 👍🏻

Hamas has never existed outside of Israel's violence, so it's impossible to say whether they would eschew true peace in favor of revenge or not, seeing as they've never been given the option.

Yeah. That occurred to me as I was quoting my stuff... like at this point, what the fuck else are they going to say. And even then they're hedging it a little bit, saying that they'd accept a cease-fire and the 1967 borders as long as it's "not permanent" (not that Israel would agree to that anyway.)

So yeah maybe it's unfair to say they wouldn't want peace if there was realistic peace in front of them.