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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, and those different ways are called religions, and the more refined thinking is called denominations. You just said she was Roman Catholic, which is not only Nicene Christian, not only a denomination, but a set and structured organisation which definitely does require it's adherents to believe in God, among many other things including Jesus literally rising from the dead. Which is the majority belief within Christianity, in fact it's a main foundation of it.

Muslims believe in Jesus. Some Hindus do as well. Doesn't make them Christian.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So you are not only arbiter on when life begins, cells are considered humans, but also on who is Christian and who not - for someone following Jesus you are really into judging.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?” Then I will tell them plainly, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”

‭‭‘Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

‭I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.

Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self?

‭Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practise magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practises falsehood.

Want to guess who said these?

I am not the arbiter of these things, but God is. Jesus makes it clear you must believe in God.

And why shoule we be the arbiter of morality either? We managed to gaslight ourselves into thinking that slavery was okay, execution, lobotomies, various wars, genocide, etc.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Sure if you chose to take the words literally - but that's kind of the point of the whole conversation.

And you do make yourself an arbiter - the moment you say that someone is not a true Christian.

So why are you an arbiter of morality despite all what you say?

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm literally just echoing facts. If I said the sky is blue, does that make me the arbiter of the colour of the sky? Of course not.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

Dang, thanks I finally got how Christians are often so judgemental - you guys are thinking that you're stating facts not passing judgement. That conversation was rather useful after all.