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[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world -5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Came here with similar response. Ill join you in the downvotes.

Democracynow.org is horrific for half stories and bias. I went through Al Jazeera and a few points.

  • Israel did open fire on the civilians. Their response and reasoning is that the trucks were being swarmed and the drivers who did kill some by being run over were Hamas drivers. People were likely killed in stampead prior to opening fire, and in the ensuring panic afterwards.

  • Hamas is claiming they were deliberate shots at chest level.

  • the fog of war in this conflict is horrible, and its exponentially worse because of propaganda, poor reporting and uneducated masses having a voice.

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

...so the guys driving the fucking aid trucks were Hamas? And Hamas was purposefully using the aid trucks to run over its own people? So Israel started firing at the drivers of the aid trucks but miraculously missed every shot, and them gunning down dozens of civilians was an oopsie?

You believe that? Cuz that's really fucking stupid.

You know why there was a mob of people? Because there is no food in Gaza. At all. People are subsisting on grains used for animal food, anything with calories. People are desperate when they are starving to death. And Israel, the fucking monsters, engineered this situation by only letting a couple trucks here and there trickle in while hundreds of aid trucks wait at the border, unallowed to enter.

[–] nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] foofiepie@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It all just horrible, any which way you slice it. Gut wrenching.

I don’t doubt for a second the IDF have a shitload to answer for, but the propaganda machine is polarising people into a flat rejection of measured discourse, as usual.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They absolutely do, but people also need to understand what is actually a war crime, what is legal in war, and what is a genocide. The pedantic details are literally the difference between a frowny face on Facebook and swinging publicly from the end of a rope - its also horrific, but by the end of this conflict i hope to see people from both sides doing so.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You should try the Olympics. Those mental gymnastics are crazy.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Im curious what you thought I was justifying with my mental gymnastics.

I have no doubt that individuals from both sides have committed war crime/crimes against humanity, and those members should swing.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I don't understand how you manage to bring both sides whenever israel does something. I read the article and I'm quite confused about your statement. People do not need to understand what is a war crime or a genocide. When they see something bad, they react to it. Get used to it. You were complaining about the masses having a voice in an earlier comment, idk what to say. The problem is not "certain individuals" doing bad things but systematic oppression happening for 75 years. You can also call it apartheid. It won't be solved by "swinging" some people.

Edit: After looking at your comment history it's clear you have an obsession with hanging people on "public ropes" and that you also think it's legal to carpet bomb civilians. I guess all those smart words you use are only to hide yourself. This is the end of my conversation.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People do not need to understand what is a war crime or a genocide.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Why are you acting like you understand it? How do I link comments in lemmy. You were justifying carpet bombing with "legality" and then ended the sentence with 'both sides should swing ropes' to balance it out. What a troll.

Lmao this guy is a known troll. I saw your comment in the "china speaks against israel" post lol. https://lemm.ee/comment/9520119

If you getting downvoted so much, maybe take a step back and re evaluate your takes https://lemm.ee/comment/9265091 but if you qant botted updoots go to reddit.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From a browser there's a link icon (two interlocking shackles) that creates a link. From mobile, I use an app so I have to open the post through my browser first

I don't think I ever posted what you said though, but please prove me wrong

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't find it. Your comments are filled with downvotes so it's hard to find the specific one but here are some to prove that you are an israeli zionist troll, most probably part of IDF propaganda.

https://lemm.ee/comment/5583079 https://lemm.ee/comment/5467524 https://lemm.ee/comment/5268781 https://lemm.ee/comment/9098956 https://lemm.ee/comment/5875832

You openly say UN definition of genocide is erong and made up your own one and talking about people understanding it. By your definition, nazis didn't commit a genocide either cause if they did there wouldn't be israel or any jews. Re-evaluate yout takes and stop acting like you are intellectually superior.

Blocked :)

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -3 points 8 months ago

tldr: lemming went through my entire post history but could not back up his clear accussations

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

BoTh SiDeS give me a fucking break

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What I'm reading Israel is saying:

They did not fire on the civilians (around the trucks)

Their tanks fired warning shots to disperse the crowd (implying aimed away from the civilians)

Nothing about the drivers being Hamas (as in: if they were escorted there, I don't think they would consider the drivers a threat, as that's what's being suggested by this wording)

A nearby incident (how near? Probably very near) where civilians came towards their checkpoint, didn't stop after warning shots, and then they started shooting to kill

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you have a link to the article you read? I went through the Al Jazeera one and it didn't mention this.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -1 points 8 months ago

It's at the start of this comment thread we're both replying to