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I agree with national unrest and protests, but imo a civil war would be over before it began. America as a country hasn't been pumping billions into the industrial war complex for no reason; anyone on the other side of the people who control the military are fucked.
That's how it generally goes. But in a civil war, the loyalties of the military are often divided as well.
fair point tbh, but I've seen (from my personal experience) the military and it's leaders are mostly conservative. idk much about civil wars and how they begin though; I'd assume we need people in strong political positions to lead a concerted opposition, no? otherwise it's less civil war and more rebellion/revolution?
The very last poll that Star & Stripes published before Trump shuttered it (due to that poll) showed that 1/2 of the enlisted & most of the officers didn't like Trump at all.
My experience is hardly exhaustive, but I've known a lot of military folks who hate Trump. I couldn't say what their political leanings are (certainly not far left, you know?), but I think even among conservative soldiers and particularly among the leadership, you'd find people unwilling to go along with Trump.
That being said, I sure as fuck don't want to find out.
Yeah, same. I don't really want to find how such a scenario would play out, but we are very much approaching such a situation. It really sucks that there are external actors that are trying to stoke the flames of this, but it's our own doing really. We didn't deal with this shit back during the first Civil war, and now we're dealing with the consequences. I don't know that I'd stay in the country if a civil war erupted, but you bet your ass I'd be out there picketing for the first time in my life if a national abortion ban went into effect.
I feel like there will be "support" for a civil war until those people actually experience it. They imagine a bunch of other people will do the fighting and they get to sit back as only the "other side" will suffer. Once they start realizing the consequences, support will quickly wane.
Only people low in the intelligence department think a civil war won't affect them at all.
Approx 1/3 of the populace is absolutely paste-eating stupid.
Yeah, I figured that out when we couldn't wear a piece of fabric over our face during covid bcz mUy FrEedum..
I mean maybe, the military isn't one big uniform blob of people. I know plenty of liberal folks who've been a part of the military, and plenty of conservative people. It wouldn't be fun for anyone.
I really wish we would just live by the motto live and let live. Just fucking leave people alone, how hard is that? Apparently very...
I also think current service members are significantly more progressive than veterans. I got out shortly before dip shit took office in 2016 so I'm not sure how much has changed though.
The officer force is definitely more progressive and generally better informed. One of the worst parts of living next to a military base is the maga conservative bullshit from retirees, vets, and the enlisted workforce. I have a high confidence in our uniformed officers. That’s not to say they don’t have their own crazies but as a general rule I don’t see the officers toeing the line to support bringing up arms against their friends, family, and communities who are protesting their rights being stripped away. It would be a mess in so many unpredictable ways.
You're vastly overestimating the US military's ability to deal with an insurgency. Did we quickly "win" in Iraq? Did we quickly "win" in Afghanistan? There may be some quick quelling of fighting, but we've proven to be terrible at managing insurgencies.
And there's the matter of just how many guns are present in the US. We have more guns than people. Over 400 million guns and growing. There are times where a lone gunman in Afghanistan was able to occupy an outpost for hours just by taking a few shots, moving position, taking a couple more shots, and then leaving.
Any civil war will be long, messy, and involve a LOT of different factions.