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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Probably should wait and see if SCOTUS agrees with Trump on that before jumping the gun.

Afterward? Yeah, Biden should do whatever the fuck he wants. And he had better.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

People doing good things shouldn't wait to find out if shitty people doing malicious things are told no. Just do the right thing already, face the consequences later. That's what the shitty people do, and they usually get away with it.

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

You will bleed integrity with every one of those shortcuts you take. You say "let's skip it and just do the right thing". What can you not justify with that? You can excuse genocides, coups, war crimes. I don't just have a problem with Trump's motivations, but also his means. That approach, always correlated with populism, is foolish and always, always tends to oppression.

[–] Norgur@kbin.social 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You all are aware that the subversion of the constitutional state for what you deem to.be good reasons will end in the same weakening of said state no matter who did it, right?

Don't lose track of what's at stake by getting blinded by bipartisan feuds. You can't fight the enemies of law, oder and democracy by undermining law, order and democracy. That is literally the only thing one can learn from the Star Wars Prequel trilogy.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

Right, like the other party cares about democracy.

Jesus Christ they've been gerrymandering everything they can, they ignore supreme courts orders to roll it back. They ban abortions, they try to go against people who travel to get it, they declare IVF emryos children... and that's just the surface.

Just face it and be honest about it - there is no democracy. Majority of people are against Israel genociding Gaza. Democracy doesn't care. Even the party of lEsSeR eViL does not give a flying fuck - DNC just says they can pick who gets to be nominated, since they are a private company.

Fuck all of that. Nobody cares about the majority of anything, except the capital. People have no value, not in the US.

But let's worry about the optics of bipartisan support. What if the other party starts an insurrection???

[–] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm not from the USA so I don't have a dog in this fight but this seems like a mad approach to me. Think beyond the immediate short term.

In your place I'd be standing up for and strengthening your institutions and conventions; they aren't perfect but the checks and balances are the only thing holding back people like Trump. If you don't abide by the rules either that becomes the new normal and Trump-like figures will become commonplace and no longer be seen as an aberration.

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

I'm not from the US either, but I have heard of Project 2025. If Republicans actually implement what's in it, whatever checks and balances were left will go right out the window.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

This is not the right thing. The end of supporting an ally against Russian imperialism, fulfilling our promises, taking the cheapest route to safeguard our national interests, does not justify the means of the executive branch willfully misinterpreting government controls to circumvent fundamental checks and balances

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

jumping the gun

Four years after he's left office and we're still waiting for the SCOTUS to make up its mind?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The "I can legally do whatever I want when I'm president" argument he's been making is relatively new and SCOTUS is looking into it. If Trump loses, he's fucked. If Trump wins, Biden could potentially have him assassinated. Legally. And if I were Biden, I sure would. Why not if it's legal?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The “I can legally do whatever I want when I’m president” argument he’s been making is relatively new

Nixon made this argument 50 years ago.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He made the argument during an interview with David Frost years after he was president. He was also roundly criticized for it and called ignorant.

Trump is making the argument in court while running for president and a scary number of people are supporting him. That's quite different.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

He made the argument during an interview with David Frost years after he was president.

He made the argument when he ordered the bombing of Cambodia and Laos at the advise of Kissinger. He made it when he launched the War on Drugs, as an excuse for federal harassmemt and surveiling civil rights activists and anti war protesters. He made it when he coordinated with criminal cartels down in Florida and the surrounding Gulf States to rig elections, disenfranchise voters, and red bait the opposition.

He reiterated it during the Frost interview. But he never gave a shit about rule of law.

Trump is making the argument in court

An argument guys like Nixon and Reagan and Cheney never had to make because they were never prosecuted for their crimes.