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Which is conveniently the real reason they are trying to ban abortion. Because poor kids without options are easy to recruit as cannon fodder
I think you give pro choice and religious nuts too much credit.
I would imagine that behind closed doors, men in positions of power have had conversations about the potential recruits the military is losing with easy access to abortion, but I agree with you.
For the most part there is no grand conspiracy, just passionate nuts who believe they’re going to live forever who found a shortcut to what they imagine is God’s approval. Like that nut who climbs buildings to raise awareness or whatever it is he’s doing. They believe when they die, they’ll wake up on a cloud and hear “Jesus Loves the Little Children” playing in the background. Their lord will walk up to them and embrace them, tell them what a good job they did shouting about saving babies as he pets their hair.
I grew up in that world. So glad I don’t still live in it.
If you're still believing they're religiously motivated you're exactly where they want you.
The idiots who vote are religiously motivated. The ones with power want cheap labor.
Also a huge reason the GOP is so against student debt forgiveness. Can’t give poor people an option beyond joining the military if they want to go to college.
I remember one of the (R) Congress critters saying as much a few years ago, but I can't find the source. I think it was one of their complete imbeciles.
Interesting..
So is the alternative to kill people in the womb based on the possibility they might end up joining the army at some point in their lives?
The alternative is to not convince fools that fetuses are people just so that they'll create more soldiers.
Fetuses aren't people? When does that happen exactly then?
You're just making a fool of yourself.
Oh ok. I noticed you didn't answer. It's not a trick question unless you're a fool.
It's an intellectually dishonest question. You're making a fool of yourself, this isn't a debate.
How is it dishonest, fool? Your lack of comprehension doesn't take the place of a logical refutation.
It's a dishonest question because it has no answer. You're here to argue in bad faith, not contribute to the topic. The only good way to respond is to disengage. Why am I here, then? Well... that's a story for another time.
After you have committed to having the baby.
Yes, fertilization is indeed codifying this commitment to start a family. See, common ground!
Nowhere did I day fertilization is commitment.
If your condom breaks, you never intended to have a baby, thus not committed. If you find out you are pregnant a few weeks later after all and haven't committed to having the baby, you consider your options and aport it if you don't want to commit. If you find out you want to keep it, you don't abort it and you have now made a commitment, and can't abort it if you change your minds again a few months or years later.
Sure, but commitments don't ultimately change biology. After fertilization, you're making the choice to snuff out a life or not.
Correct. Biologically it is just a bunch of cells dividing. Killing cells is not life.
When does it come a person? When you have committed to it going to be a person. Which happens after fertilization, not upon it.
You are going in circles now trying to put words in my mouth.
You asked when it becomes a person. I answered, and you didn't like that answer.
Read a biology textbook lol, this isn't about your insipid opinions, it's actually quite a simple fact. Biologically, when does life begin? My bio textbook has a clear answer, and it doesn't coincide with your brilliant opinion. Let me guess, biology textbooks are all secretly just right wing propaganda too?
If they truly cared about "all life" they would be pushing food programs for kids in schools, and persue free education.
But educated children don't end up in the military... Quick cut those programs!
Republicans pull out a Bible and read whatever chapter slightly resembles the doctrine they want to push, and conveniently forget all the rest. And their voting base laps it up because they've never actually read a Bible themselves either.
You're right. We're better off killing them in the womb to prevent any suffering they may have.