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[–] Flemmy@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Here's the other thing - he's maybe a millionaire, not a billionaire. That's middle class, maybe upper middle class if he's got other income

This is a normal person who just lost his job with little notice because of a greedy company, and, to add insult to injury, now has to come up with money for refunds out of the blue

I know I wouldn't feel good taking back that money, whether he can afford it or not

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Strange understanding of middle class right there, that includes about 5% of US American population.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He's not wrong. The owning class, the billionaires, are so ridiculously farther ahead that it makes millionaires middle class.

And this is why we need to tax them out of existence.

"Make Millionaires 'Rich' Again"

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That may be as it is, but that does not make the richest 5% of any population middle class.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It absolutely does when 90% of the wealth is grouped in the top one or two percent.

The difference between a millionaire and a homeless person is tiny compared to the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I suggest you tell the next homeless person that he’s practically a millionaire, when compared to Elon Musk, and see his face light up. He’ll thank you for the really useful reference point that practically gets him off the street.

[–] Artemis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

That’s not what the word “practically” means and no one above you suggested such.

[–] SgtThunderC_nt@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

I agree with you that he's better off than most people, but do you consider a boomer who bought a house for $150k in 1980, that's now work $1m in 2023, to be upper class? Technically there's plenty of upper middle class people worth $1-2m.

[–] Tag365@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Millionaires are only middle class now? What?

[–] paciencia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A million seconds is 12 days. A billion seconds is 31 years. That's how far income inequality has come. So yes, millionaires are middle class. I know so many people that think they are well off but are stupidly poor when compared to the top 1%

[–] Mayoman68@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Millionaires are definitely still well off but just to make a point: the average value of a US house is $450k. Add to this a $250k retirement fund and you're already up to 0.7M in net worth.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Does the average person in America also own an average house? Without knowing the statistics I think what you describe there might fit for upper middle class.

And there’s still quite a way to go before millionaire.

[–] SenorSimpai@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

1 million dollars over the last decade is 100k a year. That's top 18% not top 5%. Top 5% would be over 350k a year. I'm just basing this off random Google stats so the numbers may shift a little but 100k is definitely upper middle class at best

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

A millionaire is a person who’s net worth is a million or more. As you noted that’s quite different from having had paychecks that sum up to a million.