racists literally intentionally and vociferously assert their conviction that the black community doesn't matter, so, yes literally that. if something originated in the black community, or was prominent in black history, that makes it MORE susceptible to being hijacked by fascists, because that makes it a tantalizing target to them. not only do the ethnonationalist scum get to steal something, they ALSO get to debase and undermine one of their favorite targets while they do so. of fucking course they're going to hijack it.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

...and that means we should just let them?

Because it seems about 800 or so people agreed with the statement in the OP, which is that "woke" is a garbage word only used by fascists.... which in itself is a statement that debases and undermines a right wing target (black history/AAVE). The original post is ostensibly written by a "leftist" based on the things they clearly support, but they're taking a black phrase with a long history, and saying only fascists use that word.

I'm saying the left is being complicit by letting them, and I don't think that's a good thing.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Who the fuck is WE? There's no solidarity on the left. The plurality is more interested in eating each other alive for clout, making enemies for no good fucking reason, and brainlessly applying the no true scotsman fallacy except "no true leftist". I so fucking desperately wanted to believe there was actually some kind of community here, but every time ANYONE gets into a position where they might be able to organize something greater than themselves the FUCKING crab mentality kicks in and they got DOGPILED. And not an insignificant part of this is driven by sock puppets operated by actual right wingers who are vapidly parroting leftist aesthetics, whipping up a rabid frenzy of torches and pitchforks, and motherFUCKERS on the left KEEP FALLING FOR IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. At this point every time I see someone on the left who is attacking anyone specific, i just drop them and stop engaging. THIS BEHAVIOR is why 'we' fucking lose over and over again.

Instead of trying to punish each other, we should have been working together, but THAT is what "we" have been doing to "let" the right get away with shit. If we don't have solidarity "we" have NO shot of taking ownership of "our" messaging.

to the contrary, leftists don't get to have snappy buzzwords UNTIL AND UNLESS there is a "WE" that has enough coordination to clearly define and DEFEND the definition OF those terms. The left needs to stick to PLAIN TEXT. No more bullshit in-group jargon. "we" can't afford to be an "in-group".

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Okay buddy, while you're practically screaming at me about lack of solidarity, I've had a nice conversation with the person who made the original quote. Get a grip. Maybe it's you?

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

First of all I'm sorry it sounded like I was screaming at you.

you're not the one at fault for the overarching fuckery.

Second of all my complaint is about a standing pattern of behavior, not specific people, and targeted harassment is the problem. I didn't call for you--or anyone specific--to be excommunicated and shunned, so it is definitionally a separate issue.