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My opinion is that sex work should be legal. It would enable involuntary virgins to get a good sex experience for payment; they will be guaranteed a good sex experience with a sex worker: no harassment, good education, and a fun time.

Sex work gets shamed by ~~people~~ puritans because of payment for sex and it's "sinful"; yet these same ~~persons~~ puritans get and have sex for free out of "passion" or marriage; they also discriminate against minorities in sec.

EDIT: Apparently there is an implied difference between sex work and prostitution. I mean sex work.

EDIT 2: I messed up the writing of my post. My real opinion is located in this comment:

Oof. I didn't realize there was way more exploitation than just sex traffickers. It totally makes sense though; sex trades are a product of capitalist exploitation and the existence of private property. (Naturally under communism, the prevalence of sex trades would be heavily reduced.)

It seems like I couldn't communicate my ideas properly beforehand. I don't want people in the sex trade to be criminalized; I want pimps and johns to be criminalized.

Only a few hours ago: I wanted to support a sex trade industry that didn't involve rapes or rely on economic coercion. I just wanted disabled people, who keep getting discriminated out of sex,^[Sexual Ableism]^[Dating With Disability: How to Rise Above Sexual Ableism]^[Dating with Disability: Choose Your Dreams Over Sexual Ableism] to be able to feel better about their lives; a lack of sex can cause mental health issues in some people (even though this shouldn't happen). (However, having sex probably won't fix the issue, it will just hide the problems until later). Now I feel like shit...

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I don't like to put it in a socialist vs. capitalist context, I think it is stretching the topic a little bit. I prefer talking about the individual: I don't think that every people has it's "dream job". Sure some people wish to be doctors, lawyers and other professions, but a lot of other people don't. So in this latter cases, how is it that prostitution in a regulated environment is worse than anything else?

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I see prostitution as it is a product of capitalism. Most of those people do want to become scientists, discovering new things, writers, or something more than basically the toy of the dollar. Many countries were able to eliminate prostitution entirely after eliminating the harmful requirements for people to use it. If it is still wanted post capitalism, then something can be worked out, or they can just have sex with random people like they would anyway if they were a prostitute.

[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Most of those people do want to become scientists, discovering new things, writers, or something more than basically the toy of the dollar

Of course, but the same principle can be applied to people that work retail or pull a lever in a production chain. Of course prostitution is a product of capitalism, but the same is true for every job. I agree with you that capitalism generates exploitment of people, but that's the focal part I think we should focus on to make the discussion go further and not making it sterile in the end: TLDR is the exploitment of any kind of work wrong or just prostitution in particular? IMHO it's the first one...

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

work retail or pull a lever in a production chain.

those jobs are eliminated by the automation that our society strives to introduce into this place.

but the same is true for every job.

Not necessarily, to my understanding as of right now, these jobs could exist regardless, it is just the circumstances being the result of capitalist exploitation that is causing the issues with it. Sex work is entirely existent only because of worker exploitation and resource scarcity.

TLDR is the exploitation of any kind of work wrong or just prostitution in particular? IMHO it’s the first one…

It is both. I could be wrong, but as my views stand right now in this society, prostitution is not a good thing, and is a special sort of worker exploitation. Not that it should be criminalized under capitalism, as that would just cause those workers to struggle in their situation even more. Under Capitalism they should be legalized for the purpose of protection and regulation, because the exploitation will still exist regardless, and all workers must have protection in every sector of work.

This sort of reminds me of the whole drug legalization debacle (they are very different and I am not comparing the respectable worker to something like drugs, I am relating the job itself) . In our current system I agree they must be legalized, and they should even in the early to middle stage of a socialist society. But this is because drugs (I am not talking about shrooms or weed, more heroin and cocaine) are bad in general, and could fall into the wrong hands. Their legalization is to simply protect the users and the dealers. It is so that the roadways under capitalism for this product are clean and sterile, with none of the uncertainty of street purchasing. It is to make accessible ways of therapy and clean ways of use as to mitigate its human damage. Under transitory socialism all things would be under state control, so that it could slowly work at all edges of the problem to de-escalate the problem, and remove such drugs from humanity forever.

Although I would never call myself an expert or well read on this, just someone with an opinion on the matter.