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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Why was it a shit show? It was one of the most successful pull-outs of all time.

They just packed up and left instead of trying prolong it with a bloody civil war between the American pedo police and the Taliban

“The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/30/politics/state-deparment-afghanistan-withdrawal-report/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/30/us-afghanistan-war-military-pullout-report-biden-trump

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/biden-report-afghanistan-withdrawal-blames-trump-2023-04-06/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/US-Withdrawal-from-Afghanistan.pdf

From the last one:

President Biden’s choices for how to execute a withdrawal from Afghanistan were severely constrained by conditions created by his predecessor.

....

Over his last 11 months in office, President Trump ordered a series of drawdowns of U.S. troops. By June 2020, President Trump reduced U.S. troops in Afghanistan to 8,600. In September 2020, he directed a further draw down to 4,500. A month later, President Trump tweeted, to the surprise of military advisors, that the remaining U.S. troops in Afghanistan should be “home by Christmas!” On September 28, 2021, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Milley testified that, on November 11, he had received an unclassified signed order directing the U.S. military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than January 15, 2021. One week later, that order was rescinded and replaced with one to draw down to 2,500 troops by the same date. During the transition from the Trump Administration to the Biden Administration, the outgoing Administration provided no plans for how to conduct the final withdrawal or to evacuate Americans and Afghan allies. Indeed, there were no such plans in place when President Biden came into office, even with the agreed upon full withdrawal just over three months away

Seriously... have you all forgotten what went down? Memories like goldfish.

Oh, lets take a look at articles detailing the equipment left behind:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/afghan-weapons-left-behind/index.html

Oh... and if that's not enough for you, lets talk about the human cost of ~~packing up~~ just leaving:

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/us-left-78000-afghan-allies-ngo-report-rcna18119

https://www.hudson.org/foreign-policy/helping-afghan-allies-america-left-behind-luke-coffey

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/29/1119973093/how-u-s-allies-view-the-country-a-year-after-its-withdraw-from-afghanistan

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/09/how-many-americans-and-allies-are-left-in-afghanistan/

oh, and our reputation on the world stage, because you know, we weren't the only western power in Afghansistan: https://www.npr.org/2022/08/29/1119973093/how-u-s-allies-view-the-country-a-year-after-its-withdraw-from-afghanistan

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2021-09-02/american-credibility-after-afghanistan

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2021-09-02/american-credibility-after-afghanistan

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2021-09-02/american-credibility-after-afghanistan

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/afghanistan/2021-09-02/american-credibility-after-afghanistan

TL/DR: It was a shit show.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah Trump did an amazing job GTFO'ing afghanistan instead of starting another useless proxy war.

As much as I hate Orange man, withdrawing from Afghanistan has to be the best thing he actually did. There are plenty of reasons to hate on him such as ruining abortion and trying to prevent any non-white person from existing in America, but Afghanistan withdrawal is not one of them.

This was fully Biden's fault by the way:

The handling of the evacuation operation has been one of the areas where the administration and the State Department have received the most criticism, as thousands of Afghans who had served alongside US forces were left behind and those on the ground struggled through perilous circumstances to try to reach the airport and get out before government-led evacuation efforts ended.