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I'm helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because "Linux can't play games" despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can't even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You missed the part where you either sign in with your Microsoft account or cut your Internet, remove the webcam, fake your own death, and do the secret tap code in the bios to just have the OS without letting Microsoft into your butthole.

[–] mestari@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Windows 11 doesn't force you do any of that. Just skip the sign in. Your points were valid in 8/10 era but no more.

[–] jecht360@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It depends on the version, but yes, it does. It's especially a problem on prebuilt machines and laptops. It is incredibly annoying to work with in a corporate environment. Our helpdesk tech comes to me with issues related to this probably three times a week. I gave up with work arounds and we just have a throwaway Microsoft account now.

[–] IverCoder@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rufus has workarounds for the mandatory login.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who is this Rufus fellow? Is he like Tux?

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 5 months ago

He's that chill future guy from Bill & Ted's excellent adventure.

[–] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just installed 11 recently. There isn't a skip button anymore. I had to enter fake sign in details for it to give me the "offline" option.

So it seems like their point may still stand.

[–] mestari@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Someone pointed out that Pro version still doesn't require sign in. I've only dealt with Pro and didn't know it's different than Home in this thing. Sorry for being overly confident.

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not true. 11 very much still forces you to use an MS account.

[–] zenharbinger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a secret command you can do to setup without Internet. But they hide it on the startup command line.

On the “Oops, you’ve lost internet connection” or “Let’s connect you to a network” page, use the “Shift + F10” keyboard shortcut.

In Command Prompt, type the OOBE\BYPASSNRO command to bypass network requirements on Windows 11 and press Enter.

[–] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 1 points 1 year ago

You can just enter a fake Microsoft account and password. When it doesn't work, it gives the option to continue with an offline account (or at least whatever version I installed did)