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[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 52 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Then she gets to meet the slave race they keep in the basement and said slaves explain that their enslavement is a fundamental part of magic society and the only reason Dobby in particular had to be freed was because his owners were a bit too mean to him. The message becomes "slavery is fine as long as slaves are treated well.". Then they drop that particular can of worms because addressing it would require societal change. It is one of few endeavours where the heroes of the story just fail to do what they want.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fuck it. Some more rambles because the house elves drive me insane.

The correct response to a slave race that wants to be subjugated is to refuse. You can see in the books that the existance of slave races has made the Wizards worse people and it makes them used to treating other races, that are free and sentient, as slaves. Tons of sentient races we meet in the story are either service staff or set dressing for wizards amusement.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

What the fuck, you're right. Owning slaves is detrimental to how even the owners see the world. If we tolerate slavery even if we're on the benefitting side, it alters our worldview to include better and lesser peoples.

[–] illi@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wtf? Hermione goes to a point where she tries her best to force the freedom on them (leaving clothes around so they accidentaly pick them up and) so be freed. I think it is canon that she still pursues it even after school and makes actual changes while working at the Ministry.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This sounds like a problem with media analysis. I don't know how anyone could read the books and view her efforts as serious and successful actions.

[–] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 1 points 9 months ago

They were serious efforts by Hermeoninny. They were not sucessful however, and basically everyone shits on S.P.E.W at every available opportunity. And that name... wow.

[–] illi@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

This is lore from Pottermore I think, not something that was in the books.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't respect Pottermore. It's fanfiction about Wizards shitting in corners. If it's not in the book you can't use it to defend the book.

[–] illi@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

That's fair tbh.

[–] lucullus@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Her trying to trick Hogwarts elves into freedom is actually part of the books

[–] illi@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I meant the bit where she improves their conditions while working at Ministry

[–] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The house elves plot is one of the best examples of why the movies are significantly better than the books.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 13 points 9 months ago

I feel that they avoid most of the insane choices of jk Rowling but does not fix them.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

said slaves explain that their enslavement is a fundamental part of magic society and the only reason Dobby in particular had to be freed was because his owners were a bit too mean to him

Its crazy how a big part of subsequent novels is Dobby being unable to exist without slavishly devoting himself to another wizard. And his arc ends with him literally catching a bullet for Harry because he's convinced his life is worth less than a wizard's.

Just imagine reading "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" and the whole way through its just Jim finding newer and more obsequies ways to serve at Huck's whims.