I tell my trans and PoC friends as often as I can (without being obnoxious), now is the time. Arm yourself, get a gun or two (a long one and a short one), learn how to use them. Start networking with like-minded people in your community. Get some basic first aid training (medics really just need to know how to stabilize someone). The police will not protect us, that much has been shown; they would sooner club an old man to the ground than render aid to someone upsetting the status quo. When this country begins to fracture and fall apart, ourselves and our communities are the only things that can truly protect us.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 159 points 8 months ago (4 children)

If you want gun control, the best thing you can do is encourage marginalized communities to get lots of guns. That has always driven gun reform in the past.

[–] norbert@kbin.social 52 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I almost mentioned the Mulford Act.

Sounds like a win/win tbh, we protect ourselves or we get stronger gun laws (to protect everyone).

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Those gun laws are never enforced fairly and are just a thin legal veil to justify racism and oppression of minorities. If you cared about PoC, you wouldn't support gun control at all.

This whole debate reeks of racist white coffee-drinking liberal. 🤦 And if saying that sounds racist to you, remember what was said about the white moderate back in the 60's.

[–] norbert@kbin.social 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Your opinion has been noted, I stand by my first statement.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 13 points 8 months ago

Yeah, scratch a liberal and a pro-establishment bootlicker bleeds. 🤦

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

why do you try telling people what they care about ?

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Why do you ask stupid, loaded questions?

Why are you arguing with me in bad faith?

Why are you wasting your Saturday arguing with me at all?

[–] rxin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Are you arguing in good faith?

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wow. lol. Read my nick, I'm a different guy

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, I was asking you, but your response here tells us clearly that no, you're not here in good faith and you're not going to waste any more of my time. Go outside

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

Not sure why the immediate hostility. It was a perfectly valid question pertaining to your rhetoric. You're not doing any good by replying to legitimate talking points "go outside" lol

[–] dil@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Better to do nothing, so we can continue living in a world where minorities aren't armed, and where racism and oppression don't happen, right?

America has a mass shooting problem. Gun control sure seems to be an effective way to stop children from being killed in schools, and caring about children being safe doesn't mean I don't care about PoC.

The whole point was that A) minorities should arm themselves, which you clearly agree with and B) that IF conservatives are scared of an armed minority population and create gun control laws (which we're all acknowledging would be intended to harm minorities), there would still be a positive effect in that children would be safer.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 months ago

Excuse me sir, madam, or Mx,

I happen to like my coffee with soy milk in it, and that shouldn’t be an insult.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 18 points 8 months ago

like the bojack horseman episode where women start arming themselves and the govt puts on even stricter gun control. seems insane right? well it actually happened when the black panther party started arming themselves

[–] regdog@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Based

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tazer, pepper spray would be my recommendation.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I recommend against relying on taser guns. If the attacker is wearing thick or baggy clothes, or any kind of body armor, the probes won't connect with the skin and the taser will become useless. Even with a good connection, some people just won't be affected by the shock.

[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I don't trust myself with a gun, otherwise I'd get one.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 24 points 8 months ago

This is a totally fair position. The medical training could still help, especially if you're going to protests and things. There's plenty of ways to be useful that don't require being armed.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 18 points 8 months ago

Dynamite is also an option

[–] assplode@kbin.social 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Same, I'd just use it to kill myself.

I'm OK BTW, but do have depression. I don't think it's worth the risk.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

100% the same feeling. Give me a gun on the wrong day and you're lucky it's just me.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Get a chainsaw?

[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 8 months ago

its sad you even have to think about that.

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/22/if-others-have-rifles-well-have-rifles-why-leftist-groups-are-taking-up-arms

Respect to the SRA and Redneck Revolt.