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Yeah, because everyone is asking for that. They will force ads into everything they can, because Google is an Ad company.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Google and Roku primarily make money from ads.

Apple does some stuff that isn’t great, but the Apple TV doesn’t have ads like their competitors. Apps can advertise what’s inside of them when they’re selected, but that’s it on the Home Screen.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ya, so... They didn't GIVE me the Google TV device, I had to buy it. Therefore they got their money from me for that hardware. I'm not using other 'free' google products that cost them money on that device so why would they be showing ads? What cost are the recouping?

For the record, I have not seen this and we do have a number of google TV's in our house. However our primary TV uses an Nvidia Shield.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m a product designer who has worked on a lot of products that have been monetized with ads.

It’s pretty common for a company to split their revenue targets between register sales and monetization deals. You break even on the hardware, and make profit on the ads.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I sure would like the option to pay for the HW/profits up front and not have perpetual ads.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Agreed, this tends to be why I keep going back the Apple. It’s performant, will be supported for a decade, and can be configured as a minimally annoying app launcher.

Biggest problem is that a lot of the setup and security stuff isn’t as nice if it’s not paired to an iPhone.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ya I'm an android user but my wife/kid use iPhones and I actually have a MacBook. I hate iPhones, and don't love apple but I do really like my mbp :)

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, we’re also a “blended family” with regards to platforms. Some of the stuff in my house is in Google’s ecosystem, some is in Apple’s, and I have a Pi in the house that plays mediator between the platforms.

I have a box of chrome cast devices in many different flavors. I mostly only use them for traveling. Home media I keep on the bulkier AppleTVs.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh, we're all in google here (because of me) except the two outcasts (even though I'm outnumbered)

We have 6, and about to have 12 chromecast audios that run speakers all through the house. All tv's have google TV dongles except the main tv that has Shield TV (still android) Google mini's in every room

You say "Pi" to mediate? What do you mean there? (Raspberry pi?). I run Pihole in our house for ads,trackers etc.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For example, things like home bridge running on a pi so Google products can be controlled like HomeKit products for the Apple-verse family members.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah, I run Home Assistant (on a Pi) :)

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 0 points 7 months ago

How well AppleTV works with Android? Can you cast stuff from Android or is it strictly for AirPlay?

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fun fact: Amazon actually have you this option with the original Kindle. They sold two different versions where the only difference was that the cheaper one would show ads.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

Hah, ya I had one of the ad free Kindle and even commented on it form a second thread in here

https://infosec.pub/comment/6149270

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Typically they'd be recouping the cost of the tv they sold at a loss. They sell it at a loss because they know they'll make more money in the long run via the ads.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

In this case, these are not TV's but small HDMI plug in devices. $30 device that I'd be surprised if they're selling at a loss https://store.google.com/us/product/chromecast_google_tv

And personally, If they are doing that, I want two versions, one I can pay the actual cost w/some profit for them, and no ads. The ads keep making them money long after they recoup any hw costs as they continue to profit off users. When I bought an amazon Kindle way back when, I chose the one without ads for the same reason. I'm ok paying for a product vs. being the product.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I worked on the original Chromecast and I was told the price point at launch was specifically set at the break even point.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

I still use The audios, and just got 5 more unopened from Japan (eBay) that are tested/setup for the second 6 zones of audio as we finish our basement :)

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's fairly easy to block Roku ads with a Pihole. I've got all mine in a special group and all I see is a nice, empty space where the ad should be.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

True. Just saying there is a reason why Google and Roku’s stuff is dirt cheap. The real money is in the ads and selling your data.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yep, which makes that empty void where an ad should be feel even better

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. Although even if you’re blocking the loading of ads, they’re still capturing and selling behavioral data. Also, I have remotes that advertise video services that don’t even exist anymore.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't know about Roku but Google doesn't sell data, just ads. You can't go to Google and buy data about users.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They “sell” it in the sense that, as a marketer, you buy the ability to target behavioral and demographic cohort of users. You’re not actually buying a database of names and numbers.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Right, so the "sell" it in the sense that they don't sell it. I get the same response every time. I don't understand why people think it's ok to just lie, and then when they're called out try to argue that lying is fine you said something that feels true.