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Are you saying your taxes aren't taken out of your paychecks? Because they've always been taken out of mine. Seems like it's pretty easy for them to bill you based on that. And they can send the bill to whatever address is on your W-2.
I mean I'm not a W2 employee so no.
But when I was, this process typically only took about 15 minutes where you import the info from your tax form you're provided by your employer and they ask additional questions that they don't have answers to like what kind of healthcare you received or if you gained any children/dependents.
Even if it only took you 15 minutes, and it sure takes a lot of people who get W-2s a lot more than 15 minutes... that's 15 minutes too long. Why should you have to do the government's job for it?
To do what, exactly?
I don't know how else you expect them to get the relevant information.
The government should already have a record of how much you've been paid every year. Why do they not have that record in your case? Do you not declare your income in whatever job you have?
And where would they get that information?
I already told you I don't have a job. I'm self-employed.
Oh well. Guess you don't get to benefit from something everyone who isn't self-employed should benefit from.
Nah, let's leave the tax code impossibly complicated and easy for rich people to game on behalf of the handful of self-employed people in this country.
Tell you what, you keep doing your 15-minute taxes and the rest of us won't have to waste those 15 minutes. How's that?
You keep complaining instead of answering my question.
No. I answered your question. They bill you based on your W-2. Except for the handful of self-employed people like yourself who will have to do it the hard way.
Why does it take you "a lot more than 15 minutes" to enter your income?
You mean 10M Americans?
Why does it take a lot more than 15 minutes? I'll let this 30-page document from the IRS explain. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p501.pdf
And the U.S. population is 339.1 million, so you expect the tax code to revolve around less than 1% of taxpayers.
That was a Socratic question. I know the answer. It's because they need information they don't have to properly assess your taxes.
I don't expect it to "revolve around" anyone. You were the one who brought my personal taxes into question.
What information?
And how is it that many other countries are able to accomplish what I'm talking about?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-as-you-earn_tax
The information you give them when you complete your taxes. Have you not paid taxes before?
I've no idea, that's a good question for someone who lives in those places.
I like how you've gone from 'we can't possibly do this' to 'other countries do it, but I don't know how, so we can't possibly do this.'
Well when you literally just fabricate things that I've said, it can be very easy to confuse yourself.
Okay, if you weren't saying this wasn't doable, what on Earth was your point?
I just said I don't know how they do it so I can't comment on it. I can only comment on the American tax system as an American taxpayer.
Yes, I know, you suggested that it couldn't be done in the U.S. but your only answer as to why it can't be done in the in the U.S. when it can be done in other countries is "I don't know how it works there," which is a cop-out. Your ignorance of how it works in other countries doesn't mean it can't work in the U.S.
Nope, you're just making shit up again.
You: "A bill for what? How do they know what to bill you for if you don’t tell them where and how you made and spent your money?"
Me: Here is a link to show you how other countries do it.
You: "I just said I don’t know how they do it so I can’t comment on it. I can only comment on the American tax system as an American taxpayer."
If that is not implying that it can't be done in the U.S., what did you mean? You apparently didn't even bother to look at the link to find out how it could be done.
Sorry I missed your link. The US already has that system. It's listed under "Similar systems" in your link. That's why you have "tax refunds", because they typically overestimate what you owe and then give you the difference back in the following year. The only time you have to declare your income is when you are self-employed. It sounds like you are not very familiar with the US tax system.
Have you ever looked at your paycheck? It's usually the default unless you choose to opt out of it.
But that's only for income and not the other information I previously listed.
You're obviously conflating "I don't know how they do it" with "it can't be done".