Her answer there was "politicians should not be dictating such matters - that is a subject best left up to the experts and the patient to decide together". She may be corrupt as sin and her answers were all focus-tested prior to delivery but... nevertheless she was right about that, imho.

Yep, do agree, she was right about that.

Though I also think she kinda did it to avoid answering... it's a delicate subject, people get emotional, and she may lose votes if she doesn't pass the hot potato.

(btw funny video about it - she goes first but don't worry, after the first minute he comes with some really great jabs:-P)

Love those guys 😂. My favorite was with Stalin, Lennin and Yelcin 😂. Too bad they stopped doing them... at least I think they did 🤔.

I would encourage you to remember though that even if you enjoyed his performance in the debate: he is so dumb that other people ended up pulling most of his strings after he got into office, and he never even realized how much he was being manipulated - in fact he still does not, years after-the-fact. Trump is not "conservative", nor even quite "Republican" so much as a mad bull tearing through the china shop breaking everything that he ~~pleases~~ touches. A vote for him is a vote for anarchy, which sounds fun only to those who have neither experienced it nor studied history to realize what it truly means. imho at least, ofc take with a grain of salt (i.e. be properly skeptical), except it also happens to be shared by most people who study most matters all across the ~~nation~~ world. When the experts (almost) all agree on something, it is either the largest conspiracy of all time ever, or else it just might be true!

Yep, I do agree about everything, he's really just stupid.

But, you have to hand it to him. He just straight up answers, no beating around the bush. To (low IQ) people, that says "aaah, he's honest". The truth is, he's a liar as well (what politician isn't, lol 😂), but he's a "truthful liar". He answers like he doesn't give AF, alfa male through and through attitude, f you attitude as well and... well, you gotta hand it to him, that wins low IQ hearts 😂. The trouble is, they have just as much right to vote as the rest of us 😂.

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think it is more complicated than that but... yeah - she is a soulless robot who would do, and say, ANYTHING to win. For instance, does anyone at all think that she actually carries around hot sauce in her purse everywhere that she goes? She said that, but she did not mean it. She is a politician and she LIED.

Also, Trump was not a politician, but he LIED too - remember when he said, before the primary, that if he won it then he would change the rules? However, immediately after that he said "why should I bother - I WON!?" Also, I seem to recall some chant of "lock her up", but then immediately after that he was all like "why would do that? she's nice people - she came to my wedding" Also, the Bob Woodward interview where he told him that he was going to lie in the future, saying that covid was not transmissable by air, and yet it was. Also... well, there's a lot of examples, just like with her. So Hillary does not have a monopoly on lying.

Even so, her actions do tend to back up what she said: she tended to listen to experts, and the pandemic would have killed far fewer people if she had been in charge. She lies so often that sometimes she even tells the truth, just by accident? :-P So I think she would have followed up on that topic just as she said - not b/c she cared but just b/c it would be most politically expedient to have done so.

That said, she didn't seem to genuinely care for anything but her own fame & glory (hey, remember when the Supreme Court told her to send over all of her emails, and she told them to take a hike? well, more precisely she told them that she'd do it when she felt like it, but only AFTER she removed all the ones that she didn't want them to see - THAT IS WHAT SHE ACTUALLY SAID!?!?!?!). Though again, how was Trump any different? They are both shitty people, it's just that Americans knew more about her than we did him, hence why the vote wasn't so much "pro-Trump" as it was "anti-Hillary", and we basically just rolled the dice to see whatever anti-Hillary would end up doing. It did not work out well, though it may not have worked well under her either - Congress would still have been flat-out broken either way, and neither would have helped heal the divide in this nation. Both sides need to stop putting up these jokers and put up someone who MAKES SENSE! :-(

Yes, he does answer questions more simply - if that were the only criteria for someone to be President then he should have won, in fact it's a large part of why he did. And she answers questions with more weasly-worded phrases that mean nothing so as to let the medium-IQ people delude themselves into thinking that they are high-IQ ones ("hey, she said the thing that I wanted!? I'm so smart to have figured that out" - uh... no she didn't, in fact if you pay attention, she ended up saying nothing at all). But if the question is "what is 1+1?", then the answer is neither -1000000000000 (Democrats) nor "ur stUpId" (Republicans), so I firmly believe that neither side is working in our bests interests. On the other hand, one side is ready to literally overthrow the Constitution of the United States of America, even while claiming to do it out of love for that very document (which many admit to never having read in the first place).

I'm going to say something possibly controversial: not only do dumb people have just as much right to vote as smart ones, but smart people are not better people. That said, I am not looking to have a beer with the President of the United States, I want them for their role as a LEADER, for which yes a minimum level of intelligence should be required. Like in a football game, a certain minimum level of athletic prowess should be mandatory? So why look out into the audience and choose one of them, ignoring the ones who have trained for many years to become great at it? The only answer I can come up with is that people hated Hillary THAT MUCH - hence why she is the one who put him in office, arguably much more than he did. He was just trying to promote his latest reality TV show:-P.

Hey, I have heard that phrase "honest liar" before - here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfQCDaAa6s. Enjoy!:-P

[–] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Both sides need to stop putting up these jokers and put up someone who MAKES SENSE! :-(

I don't think that will happen any time soon. If anyone with half a brain and not easily controllable comes in, you know what happens to those people... it's a sad world we live in unfortunatelly...

And she answers questions with more weasly-worded phrases that mean nothing so as to let the medium-IQ people delude themselves into thinking that they are high-IQ ones ("hey, she said the thing that I wanted!? I'm so smart to have figured that out" - uh... no she didn't, in fact if you pay attention, she ended up saying nothing at all).

Exactly, I've seen it 1000 times from different politicians. You hear what he's/she's saying and I'm like "uuuummm... am I stupid or did he/she didn't answer anything 🤨?". I've even rewond on cable to hear the conversation again... and the anchor is like "mhm, mhm, yeah... moving on..."... like how the fuck was that an answer 🤨. You just pulled out a lot of fancy words and said nothing.

But if the question is "what is 1+1?", then the answer is neither -1000000000000 (Democrats) nor "ur stUpId" (Republicans), so I firmly believe that neither side is working in our bests interests.

Oh yeah, I'm way past that 😂. There was a time that I believed that at least some of the time they're working in our interest. Not at all 😂. It just so happens that their business interests for that particular thing allign with the interests for the greater good 😂. And everyone praises them and they do press bullshit and whatnot... if people knew the reality, they'd be discuisted.

I'm going to say something possibly controversial: not only do dumb people have just as much right to vote as smart ones, but smart people are not better people.

Meeh, would agree. If you're smart that doesn't mean your moral compass is working correctly.

The only answer I can come up with is that people hated Hillary THAT MUCH - hence why she is the one who put him in office, arguably much more than he did.

I think it was a stunt in order to ensure Trump wins. But it had to be believable, so they couldn't put a dummy out, so they pulled her out. Everyone hates her, everyone knows she's a liar, smart, but a liar... my 2 cents.

Hey, I have heard that phrase "honest liar" before - here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfQCDaAa6s. Enjoy!:-P

Damn, I love Dave Chappelle 😂. Liberals started hating him, but I think he just does what he does and just doesn't give AF. Sure, he was a lot less into politics and life lessons and bitching about other people back in the day, but people fail to understand that he is way older now. Back then he used to be young, and well, when you're young, you just don't have life experience and don't fully grasp what's going on in the world, so you make jokes about weed and drinking and hoes, etc. But, as you get older, you see things just repeat in circles, things don't get solved, yet politicians promise they will eventually get solved, and you start wondering, why don't they get solved 🤔. And then you start looking deeper into things and after a while realize that the idea is for those things to stay as they are. If they change, we'd have to actually star working and caring about the people's best interests, not our own, so why do that.

I completely get his POV, he's not right, he's not left, he's homophobic (hey, no one's perfect 🤷), but he's a good comedian, and I believe a good person. He might say shit, but he will help you out if you need help.

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[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Some people say that Biden has half a brain... and I think they are right!

Oddly enough, I don't care - he seems to be doing... I cannot say "well", but given what he faced when he first came in, definitely a far better job than I expected. At this point even if he were a robot puppet animated by people feeding his lines to him, I no longer care b/c it would be those handlers that we would be voting for. And yet would Kamala jump to the same tune as he does, or like Trump ignore the briefings and strike out on her own? So once again, we devolve to a "Hillary vs. Trump", now "Kamala vs. Trump" standoff, each side trying to play chicken, daring the other side to back off. The truly heart-breaking tragic part of it is that in such a game, it is no guarantee that either side will "win", and at some point it becomes quite likely that BOTH will lose.

I've spent a great deal of time trying to understand the weasel-wording, and what I came up with is this: anytime politicians say ANYTHING at all, they get judged for it, by some nutjobs somewhere. God exists, God does not exist, God exists and he loves people, God may or may not exist and he hates people, God yes/no exists and yes/no whatever whatever people, except he loves/hates YOU in particular, and so on. So the trick is to please the highest number of people by... saying nothing at all. Except that is too easily detected, hence the weasel wording, where they talk... but do not communicate. Then to complicate matters 1000x further, you are supposed to ignore all of that, and just focus on their voting record. Yes, ALL of those debates, the ENTIRE reason for their existence, is the profit of the media companies trying to sell them. They don't "decide" anything, except for the tiniest, slimmest, barest sliver of people in the absolute middle who haven't already made up their minds who they are going to vote for. Which might not even be 1% of the nation, though b/c of how polarized we are right now, might just swing the tide anyway?

So think of it like car salesmen: oh you are so smart, wow you have such a good eye, you know most people do not think to ask such insightful questions - BULLSHIT! And yet... you need a car anyway, right? It is extremely distasteful to anyone that prefers Truth over LIES, but what other way is there, than to engage in politics, or not engage and just watch the world burn? (This is fine meme)

And no I think Hillary literally thought that she would win - she managed to bully just about everyone on her own side from even so much as running (except Bernie Sanders who didn't give a shit, and one other guy that nobody had heard of on the national scale), and then one of the various email leaks about her showed her illegal collusion with the DNC (e.g. she was given the questions that would be asked during the debate in advance, whereas he was not - giving her an enormous advantage). So "legally" (ha!) or not, she was going to push past all obstacles and take what she wanted by force. Arguably Trump may even have been put there to help HER win, but she seems to have underestimated just how much people HATED her, passionately even. Oopsie.

I mean, why would Trump want to take a huge pay cut to run the WH? Simply reading a teleprompter in front of a TV screen was a much sweeter gig - far less effort, plus far less grief too. Though once she lost, ahem I mean he "won", his ego would not let him turn it down. Remember how he wanted to try and do both - be President and still do that TV show that he had previously signed a contract for!? :-P

I don't think Dave Chappelle is homophobic, though he's definitely transphobic, and there's really something to that, as he explains: other people have a right to do whatever they want, but when YOU start telling ME what to do (i.e. in terms of mandatory pronoun usage), that's the line that should not be crossed. Your rights (should) end where mine begin, and all that. And yeah, I do think he'd be friends with a trans person even - you don't have to agree with someone 100% to enjoy one another's company.:-D Though he's tired of bending over backwards to all the woke BS, and so he draws the line in the sand - this far but no further. Bill Maher has switched to doing that now also - I used to not be able to stand that pretentious asshole, but now I see how often he's right and thus he's grown on me in spite of that.

BTW, if you want to watch a fairly short video that could literally change your view of politics forever - hey, I genuinely am not kidding on that! - here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs. I have re-watched it many times over the last several years and still cannot wrap my head around it. It uses LOGIC and FACTS but... I don't wanna follow where it leads:-(. ~~Brainwashing~~ cultural/societal influence from all of the various sources like Hollywood movies and just flat crowd-think from talking to almost literally everybody has quite a strong effect, and I realize that I am still under its sway. So anyway, be warned: this video can fuck you up, bigly :-| - but it does have the benefit of being true.

[–] 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Hm... I think you may have a point about Trump being a scapegoat for Hilary's win. Never saw it like that, but yeah, you do have a point. His I don't give AF attitude, his lack of word filtering (than again, republicans are like that, lol 😂)... not something a presidential candidate should be proud of, lol. And he is proud of that, you could tell, lol 😂.

From his POV, I can understand running for president. I mean, the man's accomplished in almost every other aspect in life. The only other thing he wasn't really balls in deep was politics, so he probably thought, this is my chance, now or never.

And yeah, I do think he'd be friends with a trans person even - you don't have to agree with someone 100% to enjoy one another's company.:-D

He even was.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WfNn3q9F3_I

That's why I can't say anything bad about the guy, even if he is homphobic or transphobic or whatever. I mean, no one's perfect, he is like he is, and that's fine, main thing is, he's not a bad person.

Regarding the video, I actually presumed as much. Still, it was a nice video, watched it till the end. Facts are facts 🤷.

But, did you notice what was the root of the problem? I have, just haven't phrased it like that and haven't analyzed the subject like the guy on that channel has - money. Always have been, always will be. It litelarly is the root of all evil and unfair. The more you have, the more you want. Actually, it's not exactly money per say, it's just that money manifests this human trait all too well. It's greed.

I've thought about this long and hard and no matter how I try and salvage things, to be as much as they are now, I always end up with the same conclusion. Radical changes have to be made in order for us to survive as a species. Our economic and social structures, as well as what (currently) defines us as himan. Well, maybe not that last part (at least not extesively), but yes, we do have to evolve and completely drop, on a species level, some things that we hold on to so dearly. Trouble is, humans only unite when faced with grave danger on a global scale, so... this will probably never happen in our lifetime, but if we were to survive, it must happen.

[–] OpenStars@startrek.website 1 points 9 months ago

Biden also has word salads, but yeah at least he isn't proud of it. I suppose the thinking is that anti-establishment means that whatever THEY do, you should do the exact opposite? Except that is not how adulting works - the way you can spot a counterfeit is to know the geniune article so well that nobody can lie to you and pass off something false as being true. Simply being "not happy" with existing policies is not a good direction to move "forward" in. So instead of e.g. Christians asking "WWJD = What Would Jesus Do?", they instead ask what Obama would do and then do the polar opposite? So like Obama passed the Affordable Care Act, so I guess the opposite is to, what, kill off all the poor people? (shit, I didn't mean for this to be so accurate!)

Chappelle is a literal genius, or at least a really smart, very insightful dude. Some people do not like him, I assume b/c they do not understand him (or maybe... b/c they do?:-P). His early work I did not enjoy as much, but then I reflect that it was a different time then, and what seems blasé today was for back then a revolutionary thing. I especially appreciate his insights into racial matters - e.g. that story about a trans person who is white in Texas being "passing", whereas Dave can never ever change the color of his skin, so they really truly are fundamentally different.

That CPG Grey video really messed ME up. A lot of liberals start thinking "well this is the way the world SHOULD be" - but that is stupid thinking (unfortunately modern conservatives do not have a monopoly on stupidity, or more precisely lack of wisdom, which is not always the same thing, and presence of obstinacy to persist in spite of all the facts pointing in the opposing direction), and instead what actually WORKS is when we are humble enough to realize the way that the world actually DOES work, and then move forward from there. e.g. imagine trying to make a rocket that can go into space, maybe even reach the moon - none of the "feels like" statements (I kinda feel like I want to paint it red and blue, and add sparkles to it - THAT might make it go further?) are going to make it go one inch further, and it is only when we start asking how physics truly works, and then submitting to that so that our actions match our thinking, will we actually be able to achieve the goal.

And I feel like Chappelle gets that. Heck, even Trump gets that, though then he twists it and uses it for his own ends - like yeah he does know how to avoid paying taxes, and that helps the common American HOW exactly?!? Biden also seems to get it, which surprised the hell out of me, though Kamala absolutely does not, preferring instead to blame everyone rather than herself.

About money being evil: consider the related statement that "Guns don't kill people - people kill people", which is both a true statement and also misleading b/c guns really do help to kill people, as opposed to lets say a knife or a bow & arrow. Guns not only increase the rate with which humans can be dispatched, but also they increase the ease with which even singular ones can be taken down, by lowering the barriers - simply point and click and if you hit your target in a vital spot, it's all over for them. Get dumped by your girlfriend? Get a gun and show her who is boss! Teacher gave you an F, or maybe even an A- but you wanted an A? Same. It shortens the effort required to go from initial thought to deed completion, and thus facilitates traveling that pathway more readily, without barriers, and also more quickly, before you have time to cool off or get distracted. In comparison, in Australia unregistered guns are illegal, and while people can still purchase them in an unregulated black market, it costs almost as much as a cheap house, like $40k (this figure was from a decade ago so probably a lot more now with inflation!) - always assuming ofc that they don't decide to kidnap you and use you for organ harvesting or some such. That puts some barriers back up, so that people must take time to cool off before purchasing one, in order to fulfill their wish. Also younger people are less likely to have that kind of cash on-hand, so the most brash members of society have the least access to those dangerous weapons. i.e., mainly it is people that kill people, and yet guns do significantly help with that.

Similar to the above statement, money both directly warps a person's mind - studies show that people literally change their actions when they start to get some, e.g. becoming fearful that others will try to come & take it - plus also the greed aspect affects people far more, even if they do not have any actual money itself. Though not everyone is greedy - there are so many stories of people that e.g. win the lottery and donate all of the funds to charity. Being forewarned is forearmed, and some people are more careful than others to avoid letting greed take over their lives. I actually think Biden is that way - his wife comes from the Heinz ketchup fortune so is extremely wealthy, and neither of them would ever need to work a single day for the rest of their lives, and yet that old man instead of taking naps all day (as many of us would prefer!) gets up every day and works himself to the bone. Yeah he surely has his selfish reasons too, like wanting to be remembered as someone who did great things - which is a good thing? - but his actions at least do not match what I would consider "greed". Whereas Trump on the other hand... that pussy-grabbing MFer will take every last tiny bit that he can get! :-P

About our survival: I watch a lot of sci-fi, and I have read even more of that. I agree with you that we might end ourselves, but I also think that it is possible for populations to go in "cycles", and while we might kill off oh let's say 90% of humanity on earth, even so the rest of us might remain, and grow all the stronger as a result of learning from our trials. That's the key btw: EVALUATED EXPERIENCES - some people never learn, either from their own mistakes or those of others, but some people are open to learning, and they will have a much greater chance of being okay... like a Jew that moved out of Germany, before other Jews were thrown into the furnaces: if you pay attention, I happen to think that the outcome is more likely to be better than if you do not. That does not seem like a fully natural mental state: it is far easier to just go to sleep and conserve energy, hence the drag/pull towards laziness each and every day. But if we resist laziness, and greed, and other mental ills, then past history shows that such people as that do that DO end up with far better lives.

But... we aren't all going to make it. Some people are simply too stupid - I should stop using that word btw, when really I mean obstinate - to survive. Trying the same thing over and over, hoping for a different results the next time - that simply is not a winning strategy, 999,999,999 times out of a billion.