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Just because Republicans choose unreality doesn’t mean the media should ignore the facts of January 6.

On January 6, 2021, I watched CNN as thousands of Donald Trump supporters stormed the US Capitol. As someone well-versed in watching tragedy on television, I was struck by just how indisputable the facts were at the time: violent, red-hat-clad MAGA rioters, followed by Republicans in Congress, tried to stop democracy in its tracks. Trump had told his followers that the protest in Washington, DC, “will be wild,” and in the assault that followed his speech, some rioters smeared feces on the walls of the Capitol. Hundreds of them have since been convicted on charges ranging from assault on federal officers to seditious conspiracy. These are stubborn facts, the kind that do not care about your feelings. These facts include the inalienable truth that Trump is the first president in American history to reject the peaceful transfer of power.

It never occurred to me that these facts could somehow be perverted by partisanship. But three years later, we are seeing just that, as Republicans cling to the lie that the 2020 election was “stolen” by Joe Biden and are poised to make Trump their 2024 nominee. And perhaps even more dangerous than the GOP ditching reality is the news media’s inability to cover Trumpism as the threat to democracy that it very much is.

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But the problem is, when all you have is conventional political framing, everything looks like politics as usual. One candidate makes a claim; the other disputes it. Two sides are divided, etc. This framing only works if both parties operate within the frameworks of a shared reality. But Trumpism doesn’t allow for the reality the rest of us inhabit. Trump’s supporters believe their leader’s reality and not, say, the reality the rest of us see with our eyes. As Trump once told a crowd: “Don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.”

Journalists may be well-intentioned in trying to be “objective,” or they’re simply afraid of being labeled partisan. Either way, coverage of January 6 that gives equal weight to both sides—one based in reality, one not—is helping pave the road for authoritarianism.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think what the morons want is trump. I'm really worried about how common this braindead opinion is. They're actually going to vote against Biden because of Israel. We're fucked.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you're that worried that reaction to our government enabling a genocide is risking the election or whatever, maybe blame the people doing the enabling rather than the people disgusted by them.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Found one of them

Everyone knows your only feeling can be whatever a stranger makes up

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can't want us to stop supporting Israel because I'm required to be a myopic idiot unaware of what will happen if I don't vote for Biden. That's just facts.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm saying that a lot of people are disgusted by what the American response has been and the natural reaction is going to be disengaging. Why are you blaming them instead of the actual parties responsible?

That's not being pragmatic or whatever you think you are, it's just being lazy and unprincipled.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What outcome do you think will occur if people don't vote or vote third party or for trump?

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's probably going to fucking suck either way. I blame the party for its shitty actions, not the voters for not voting for them.

I would suggest trying to understand why people are so upset by the administrations complete non-response to what should be an easy lift- a fucking ceasefire. It's our bombs and missiles being used to do this, and we're sending them there as fast as we can. The administration could stop that at any time but chooses not to.

I get that it's frustrating that there's this obvious and unsalvageable debacle looming and it's only January in an election year, but find someone else to blame.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

As long as you vote for Biden, we are friends and I've no issue with what you wrote. Sounds like you won't though, which is insane and will make the thing you claim to care about vastly worse.

You're basically saying "hey don't blame me for putting in motion a horrible thing, blame the guy who you can never talk to and who doesn't represent you and is objectively better than the path I plan to put us on". Are you a russian troll or what? I cannot wrap my head around this level of myopia.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I already can't piss in any public bathroom in my home state. I get that things could get worse but they already seem extremely bad and I've already been a mixture of concerned and enraged by the lack of action so far.

Why is the support of Israel a foregone conclusion regardless what horrors they inflict? Is this all about not wanting to lose the quasi-fascist 'anti-trump' ex-republicans that you think were why Biden won?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You are trans, and you're here telling me without directly admitting it, that you're going to vote against democrats!? Why don't you hack your left foot off with a chainsaw? It would be quicker.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm just pointing out why people are probably just going to not bother voting. I'll probably be there and write in myself because at least I know how to hold myself accountable.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

When Trump wins and you're put into a camp, at least you'll know your myopic principles weren't compromised

The real reason why people will let trump win is that they are mentally and physically lazy or want to feel superior without considering consequences

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

At this point I am certainly not counting on voting keeping people out of camps, we can't even get the 'harm reduction' candidate to stop sending bombs and missiles to get dropped on Gaza!

The number one killer of gay and trans Palestinians is the occupation we are supporting.