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Basically dress up the economics as futurism instead of tankie shit with its associations.

Marx said we should hold the means of production in common, and follow a socially beneficial plan. But a lot of audiences would roll their eyes and close their ears as soon as I said Marx.

If instead I say, "Artificial intelligence and computerised logistics are becoming so sophisticated we can think about phasing out the human element of management. We can choose democratically what we want the robots to do and they will produce it for us."

This might sound like subterfuge to some of you, but it's not actually dishonest. It's a correct way to describe a Marxian economy. I replaced the phrase "the means of production" with "the robots".

The real win here is you get around "It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism." People don't expect a Marxist world revolution. People don't expect the fall of capitalism. But people totally do expect robots and AI in the coming decades.

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[–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Solid answer with great advice, I wish I could give you more upvotes.

[–] bleepingblorp@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thank you comrade, it means a lot none the less and I definitely appreciate the feedback. I am always worried I'll come across the wrong way, especially when I make slightly longer posts.

[–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Same, as I am still a "socialist padawan", but I believe you were spot on, and I will be keeping your advice in mind when I have conversations with people about similar topics. I get nervous about coming the wrong way, too, which is why I edit my comments a lot to make sure I don't come across as offensive or reactionary by accident. I am a USian, myself, but I try to be considerate and open to ideas from people from all sorts of backgrounds and cultures.

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You could create a bunch of alts

[–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Nah, I don't want to abuse the voting system. I prefer to give only one vote as one person. Unlike the undemocratic US where corporations get an extra vote and money is the actual deciding factor of a candidate winning, as long as they are neoliberal and decided upon the ruling class.