Unions still operate under capitalism? Not sure how unionizing plays into dismantling capitalism. This is a conversation about politicians like Bernie not going far enough to fundamentally disavow capitalism completely. The question is, what is an effective alternative to incremental, foot-in-the-door political baseline? What could Bernie be doing differently, that would actually be effective?

[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"What could Bernie be doing differently, that would actually be effective?"

Unfortunately it's not about Bernie doing something differently. The incremental changes cannot only be made at the ballot box or with candidates. It has to be made within the population at large.

Social movements through collective organizing can bring change. Unfortunately the capitalist state knows this as well and that's why any attempts to organize are stamped out quickly through violence, media campaigns to discredit, or various other means.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Okay, do that. Organize. Bernie is doing his incremental thing, because that works in politics. He can't make you organize, that's a you thing. Let him do his thing.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Unions still operate under capitalism?

Everything still operates under capitalism until capitalism is abolished. Unions can weaken the capitalist class and strengthen the working class. It’s an interim step. You were looking for a foot-in-the-door; well here’s one.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sure, I agree, do that. But what can Bernie do, in his domain, that's more effective than what he's doing? If you want to organize, organize. That is a legitimate action. But Bernie's domain is politics, and there's no point playing the politics game badly.

Let him cook. You can do your own cooking.