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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 9 months ago (1 children)

ok but the empire were literally fascists trying to rule the imperial senate with absolute authority......

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah it's not actual communism but more like a reflection of the fears of communism in pop culture from the time when it was written in the late 70s. Comment was a bit inprecise but amended.

[–] dreugeworst@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Even the empire's uniforms were pretty obviously based on nazi uniforms, what makes you think the empire is supposed to represent communism?

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

George Lucas said Vietnam inspired the writing, and communism in American pop culture was synonymous with basically every "bad" thing.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He said the Ewoks were inspired by the Viet Cong. Were the guerilla fighters fighting against the guerilla Empire?

[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

The empire was the US

[–] yum_burnt_toast@reddthat.com 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

is it a coincidence that vader is derived from the german word for father?

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is that the case? It's both written and pronounced differently

[–] yum_burnt_toast@reddthat.com 2 points 9 months ago

well i did say "derived from" and not "the exact same word" but as it turns out the connection to vater was a rumor george lucas himself started, likely to make originating vision for the series appear stronger and more planned. there is evidence that the name existed in the scripts before he was changed to be lukes father, so that does contradict the later assertion.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure about Vader being more than a coincidence, but the roots of the word for "father" goes a lot further back than German. Linguists have traced it back through many cultures into prehistory. It's probably more ancient than we can ever discover. This blew my mind the other day.

https://youtu.be/BUIQAGqhSj0?si=qnmadJhGOjcRM8G3

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[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why are you spreading this around like it's true? Also, this is you:

Very interesting! I knew the Vietnam thing but I'm not into Star Wars.

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago
  1. George Lucas mentions Vietnam as an influence

  2. Fascism is clearly represented as well

  3. Star Wars is not a politically consistent universe or critique

  4. It's a typical story arc where the antagonist is an amalgamation of things that were considered bad at the time

  5. It's Star Wars I ultimately don't care that much

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 months ago

that makes sense! fair point!