No. Flat out no. There is no competition and they're literally providing what they are capable of to take care of the others' need. Mutual aid is not a marketplace and the fact you instinctually thought of it that way tells me you need a book on capitalist realism.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's no competition between trees? Hmm...

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Not all competition is mediated via markets. Mushrooms will compete by injecting themselves into their adversaries using their own internal pressure.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeha, but they are showing an instance of nature in which things work one way and ask "why can't humans XYZ if even a mushroom can? ", but there are also plenty of instances in which nature is savage.

There is a constant war in the roots of trees, does that mean humans should be in constant war?

Plus, there IS a profit incentive. Those mushrooms are trading. What they get in return is the profit incentive.

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Trading for food to eat is now "profit incentive"? How is there profit if you consume what you take?

Edit: and don't get me started on the violence used in our own market systems. Thankfully Mushrooms learned long ago to eat the rich, because "surplus profit" are just resources that aren't being used.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How do you know they aren't consuming more than what they need to barely survive?

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Because consuming more than what you can use or need is not a competitive advantage. The mushroom that trades that surplus instead of wastefully consuming it will have a more resilient support structure. It's a different perspective where you view the fitness of an individual in regards to how well it embeds itself in the system by making itself useful to others, not by how well it can "extract profit" from its surroundings (like a cancer or obesity).

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You're assuming it only consumes exactly what it needs to survive and not even a small amount more than that. You'll have to prove that. Pretty sure they probably keep some buffer or give priority to their own species or certain species, making the network their own buffer. Would that be mushroom racism? I don't want to learn anything from racist mushrooms man.

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's a big difference between storing energy for the winter and being obese.

Mushrooms aren't simply favoring their own species, they are favoring species that are cooperative. If they perceive a species as obese or cancerous, they will fight to control those surplus resources.

[–] BunEnjoyer@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

Yes, but there are likely factors produced by both parties in the symbiotic relationship that keep each other in check. Otherwise one of the parties could become parasitic instead.

This whole conversation comparing evolutionary mechanisms that are complex enough to include self sacrifice just to have more "you", is a poor analogy anyways. While humans evolved their social dynamics, i'd like to think we can operate beyond what's best for our species.

[–] stanka@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where in that response did you see the word capitalism. Economics exist outside of your agenda/baggage.

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

"market place" is a concept of competition in contrast to Kropotkin's concept of mutual aid