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After a voter said he found it “astonishing” that Haley hadn’t used the word “slavery” at any point in her answer, she asked, “What do you want me to say about slavery?”

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 57 points 1 year ago (5 children)

“I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run — the freedoms and what people could and couldn’t do,” Haley said at the beginning of her response.

She went on to say: “I think it always comes down to the role of government and what the rights of the people are. And I will always stand by the fact that I think government was intended to secure the rights and freedoms of the people. It was never meant to be all things to all people.

Darned guv'ment trampling the rights of slaveholders.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I always love the, "it was about state's rights," people.

Yes, you're absolutely correct. It was about the state's right to let rich white men own black people.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

technically I believe the south was more so mad that the northern states passed laws that allowed slaves to become free people once they escaped north. Then, the south couldn’t reclaim their slaves and they got mad and threatened a war. So it was actually the northern states’ rights that started a lot of the feuding.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

It wasn’t though. My state (Ohio) was stopped from freeing all people who cross our borders. We were stopped from refusing to reenslave and return people who escaped to our state. We wanted to do these things and the states that seceded blocked us from doing them. Then when they seceded they openly banned abolition of slavery in their constitution. Meanwhile 4 union states were permitted to allow slavery to continue until after the war. Those 4 states were the last states to see abolition.

From the confederate perspective the civil war was about the right of white people to own black people no matter what.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They actually had the state right to let rich white men own black people before they separated. States choosing to ban slavery scared the rich southern slave owners.

The Confederacy made it a federal right. The poor southerners were literally convinced to fight and die to not be allowed to make their own state laws on the matter.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

And I will always stand by the fact that I think government was intended to secure the rights and freedoms of the people.

So people in slavery weren't "people", Haley?

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Her answer reminds me of that old Miss America 1/5 of Americans can’t identify America on a map question.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

She's certainly speaking to her audience, absolute morons.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

They actually think the South was the side fighting for freedom, and the good guys lost. These psychos are trying to be the only ones in charge of everything.