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[–] CarmineCatboy@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It's obvious they don't trust any of the Chinese Americans

That's why they can't spy on China anymore.

The golden rule of espionage is that your enemy is gonna spy on you as well. So it's incumbent on you to go on the offensive and spy even harder.

The kind of person who can spy on China or, say, the Soviet Union speaks the local language, and has economic and political ties with local assets. Both the spy and the assets are gonna play a double game if for no other reason than the fact that they can make more money that way.

The US played that game well all throught the Cold War. And it chose to lose the capability to do so after the Aldritch Ames Incident. The americans have gone on the defensive, and are more focused on ensuring the enemy can't spy on them at all. As a result the espionage officers can't be perfect for the job - hiring a well connected person is too much of a risk - and the espionage assets aren't hired in the first place. What CIA agents the US had abroad were legacy agents from a more daring time. And all those guys were purged when the Iranians found a security breach in the american intelligence networks, got the informants' names and sent the list to Russia and China.

[–] Magos_Galactose@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And all those guys were purged when the Iranians found a security breach in the american intelligence networks, got the informants’ names and sent the list to Russia and China.

I need to hear more about that part.

[–] CarmineCatboy@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/15/botched-cia-communications-system-helped-blow-cover-chinese-agents-intelligence/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh_q02eefFM

@manuallybreathing@hexbear.net I don't have better sources on the repercussions of the aldritch ames incident on me, but while the youtube video talks about the CIA comms failure it does touch on the aldritch ames indicent at the start.

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/15/botched-cia-communications-system-helped-blow-cover-chinese-agents-intelligence/

"But the CIA’s interim system contained a technical error: It connected back architecturally to the CIA’s main covert communications platform"

"U.S. intelligence officers were also able to identify digital links between the covert communications system and the U.S. government itself, according to one former official—links the Chinese agencies almost certainly found as well. These digital links would have made it relatively easy for China to deduce that the covert communications system was being used by the CIA."

How do they say... "we kill based on metadata". A taste of their own medicine.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 10 months ago

That's absurd, it's like they were signing their instructions for their assets with the CIA watermark.

[–] manuallybreathing@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i've love to read more about this if you've got a link comrade

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 10 months ago

it was linked in a response above your comment

Aldritch Ames Incident

Holy shit even spying is hereditary in US XD