this post was submitted on 23 Dec 2023
120 points (84.1% liked)

World News

38557 readers
3176 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Wednesday called out other countries for not demanding Hamas surrender.

“What is striking to me is that even as, again, we hear many countries urging the end to this conflict, which we would all like to see, I hear virtually no one saying – demanding of Hamas that it stop hiding behind civilians, that it lay down its arms, that it surrender. This is over tomorrow if Hamas does that. This would have been over a month ago, six weeks ago, if Hamas had done that,” Blinken said during a press briefing at the State Department Wednesday.

“How can it be that there are no demands made of the aggressor and only demands made of the victim,” Blinken went on to say.

The strong comments from Blinken come as the United Nations Security Council continues to negotiate a resolution calling for a suspension in fighting and encouraging more humanitarian aid into the beleaguered Gaza Strip, and as the United States’ support for the resolution remains unresolved.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I understand quite well how terrorist organizations work.

You say that, then you say

In what universe are dead martyrs better than living ones...

A terrorist is literally only martyred by dying for their cause. There's no such thing as a living martyr.

So no, you absolutely do not understand how terrorist organizations, specifically terrorist organizations like Hamas, actually work.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You clearly don't know how terrorist organizations use the term "martyr" but I assure you Hamas considers every Gazan a martyr already. It's in their charter

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago

By which they mean they will sacrifice as many people as they must to accomplish their stated goals, thereby actually martyring them. There's literally no such thing as "a living martyr".

How are you not getting this? You cannot be considered a martyr until you have died in service or your religion, either by righteous sacrifice or by capital punishment for actions of faith.

Look, I get where you are coming from. You're trying to apply logic and reason to a situation where there isn't much of either. Religious zealots and unscrupulous nationalists are doing terrible things to each other, and there's a shitload of innocent civilians stuck in the middle. But your oversimplification of "hamas should surrender without condition" conveys a tremendous lack of understanding of what either side hopes to accomplish.

For the record, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I believe Hammas could do much more good in the long run by surrendering, thereby ending the conflict... but then the eyes of the world would be on Israel as they continued to bulldoze Gaza and make life for innocent Palestinians even harder. But that's still a shitty take because the innocent still suffer, and the world would likely just turn away and ignore it until the next time a terrorist does something terrible.