this post was submitted on 24 Dec 2023
61 points (98.4% liked)

Ask Lemmy

26401 readers
780 users here now

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have funDoxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spamPlease do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reasonJust remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

There are fewer risks being taken, studios take what they know and refuse to learn something new.

I used to LOVE Kdrama. Watched it exclusively for more than 10 years, mostly because it was so different than anything I could see in western media. Then it took off and Netflix got involved in production, and now it's just the same crap just with an all-Asian cast. Kdrama is a prime example of what you're talking about. They had a great opportunity to figure out why it was popular and learn from it. But they just can't.

Don't get me wrong, it was always "bad" in lots of ways, but often in ways that were easy to overlook. Because underneath the cheap production values, repetitive tropes, and outlandish framing devices, there were engaging stories about people relating to each other. (Especially around toxic masculinity. Western TV has refused to touch that since Luke raped Laura and they fell in love and got married. I wonder if we'd have as much problem with incels if we could have more realistic portrayals of what men and women put up with from each other just to get through the day. --But I digress.) They had a story arc with a definite end. Now it's all just serial-killer murder mysteries and Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman set in Joseon.

[–] blargerer@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

What. Western media touches toxic masculinity regularly. Barbie and The Last Of US, One of the most successful movies and One of the most successful shows of this past year had major sub-themes about toxic masculinity.

[–] 520@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

It's been a massive theme in some of the biggest shows and films for the last 5 years. Dunno where they're getting the idea that toxic masculinity isn't touched upon.

[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I can't speak to The Last of Us, but Barbie only discussed toxic masculinity at a high level, systemically, not on a personal, one-on-one level. Not in a "Her boyfriend just raped her. Does that mean he loves her or not?" sort of way. We're all socially adept enough to sit back and say, "Of course not," from the outside. But it's never that easy or clear-cut from inside a relationship. THAT's what western media won't touch. There's a post on the front page about a politician apologizing for joking about spiking his wife's drink with a date-rape drug. What does that kind of relationship look like? Where is something like that explored in western media? If you can name some I'd be glad to hear it, and interested in watching.

[–] overcast5348@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Ted Lasso too!