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If we need warning lights for self driving cars, the technology is not ready.
Eh, it's probably good to have regardless?
It's less about being careful around the car and more about how you might interact with it. For example, honking the horn or flashing your beams wouldn't have the same effect. On that note, it might be nice to have some way of telling a self driving car to temporarily use elevated sensors or something, the same way a horn tells a driver that something is wrong. As long as there's a way to prevent abuse of the system
I don't know much about these lights, but we COULD use some new standards in general with how many things have changed with cars in recent years. Brake lights on electric vehicles being another thing to consider.
That "gentle horn" everyone wants being another
"Gentle horn" sounds like a 80s romantic pop song.
Here you go
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You're still the driver in the self-driving car. If someone honks, you have pedals and a wheel in front of you. It always comes down to driver neglect. It's like blaming the cruise control for speeding, but giving cruise control more responsibilities.
The standard should endure past this stage. It's not necessary now, but it would be good to start getting used to some kind of a symbol now
Eventually when cars move past this stage, then we'll need it
Today, sure.
But in 20-50 years, switching to manual driving may be a whole process. It may even be illegal in a full self driving car. In an environment of mixed automated and manual driving, having indicator lights for the autos makes a lot of sense.
Okay that is the first argument for it I've read that actually makes sense
To play the devil's advocate: early cars needed a guy with a flag im front of them because people were used to horses and carriages and not automobiles. After a while that stopped being a thing.
But yeah, self driving cars are not really ready.
Id argue that motorized carriages back then werent ready for the public.
Lol, this is like calling the turn signals warning lights. Letting others know something about your driving isn't a warning, it's just an indicator.
There are warning signs to indicate people learning to drive in ex-Soviet countries (such yellow triangles to put behind the glass), even though they are driving with an instructor.
Now when I think about it, it's been some time since I've seen that sign.
Somewhat similarly in the Netherlands, in case you fail your practical driving exam three times you still get a license but you can only drive cars marked with special yellow number plates.
Omg that’s gotta be embarrassing lol
They're pretty common in the US as well, but it's just a sign that says "student driver".
I've also seen orange triangles used in vehicles like horse-drawn carriages that can't go as fast as regular traffic, mostly in connection to Amish people.
The technology will never be ready if you don't test it.
And I would argue we DON'T need warning lights since, while imperfect, most self-driving tech is already vastly better than your average driver. We should have warning lights for cars that DON'T have self-driving.
This is ultimately why we will NEVER have self-driving cars en masse, because society isn't willing to take the necessary risks to improve the safety of everyone on the road.
How about we:
Why is there this constant false dichotomy implying that the only way to test self driving cars is a wild west of no regulation?
And also who said that self driving cars are safer than humans? Tesla's numbers are all statistical lies (in fact Teslas were recently shown to have the most accidents), Cruise just shutdown in SF because they were a liability, and Waymo is heavily limited in its time/weather/areas for driving.
At some point you need to test it on a large scale. Cruise was even running small-scale and was shut down in short order.
We do.
There isn't.
...everyone?
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/human-drivers-crash-a-lot-more-than-waymos-software-data-shows/
[Citation needed]
This is actually a great example of exactly what I'm talking about: GM will shut down Cruise permanently because they've discovered what I just said: society has zero tolerance for literally anyone getting hurt by autonomous vehicles, whereas the tens of thousands of people who are killed on our roads every year by individuals is considered acceptable.
The teslas having the most crashes I did see pass by on my news feed too. It doesn't mean that because teslas have self driving and teslas crash the most that this means the self driving tech is the reason for it though. Correlation does not imply causation.
You literally just presented that false dichotomy in a previous comment. Don't try to gaslight us.
I literally presented zero dichotomies of any kind, don't try to strawman us.
The refrain of the tech CEO demanding we allow it free reign as a test.
Sure. But we're jumping into the deep end by legally allowing the driver to be exempt from distracted driving laws. There's a big difference between testing the technology and relying on the technology.
Can you cite the legislation that exempts drivers using driver assistance systems from paying attention while driving?
No one should be relying on the technology.
California, Nevada, and Germany all have laws for it. The article this comment section is based on specifically mentions California and Nevada.
Well, theirs probably isn't.
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if we need warning lights for ANYTHING, the humanity is just not ready.
One could argue that brake lights are a warning light 🤔.
Turn signals are literally called warning lights in my language.
No, they literally are warning lights, warning you the car is slowing down. It has no other purpose than to provide information (warning) to others about what you are doing.
Best keep away from rail crossings then.
Probably should, honestly
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So we aren’t ready for anything. Got it. 🚨🚦🚒🚑🚓🚧
YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!
Same purpose as warning labels: to keep ding dongs alive so they can spend more money
Jesus Christ that's the most pointlessly cynical thing I've read in a long time.