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anarchists on some instances of lemmy say that they dislike the government and hate law and sometimes harm people and thats bad, but what if those anarchists made a group and went to live in an island and form their own society?? would they do it better than the government??? it can be complicated because in anarchy, politics dont matter, so any political discourse will lead to people getting harmed

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[–] DharmaCurious@startrek.website 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Assuming you're not just trolling, which, judging by your post history is... Unlikely... I'm going to suggest you read up a little bit about the basics of anarchism. Specifically anarchocommunism, as it is the most common tendency to run into online. There are several foundational texts that are written in English and Spanish. Some authors to consider: Peter Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin, Emma Goldman, Pierre Joseph Proudhon. For something more contemporary, check out David Rovics.

For real world examples of actually existing anarchist societies, read about the Spanish Civil War, a good book I can recommend on the subject "The Anarchist Collectives : Workers Self-Management in Spain, 1936-1939" by Sam Dolgoff

Another decent recommendation is The Soul of Man Under Socialism by Oscar Wilde.

For a short read with good explanations behind the principles of anti authoritarianism check out Law and Authority by Kropotkin.

For something to get the heart thumping a bit more, We Do Not Fear Anarchy, We Invoke It by Robert Graham.

The idea that political thought would be repressed in an anarchist society is... An interesting take. Anarchists generally want to function based on some kind of collective decision making process, such as consensus. There are also anarchist adjacent trends, such as council communism that are worth looking into. In a pinch, "Google Murray bookchin" and find yourself somewhere in the neighborhood (or at least the next one over).

And to answer your question outright, if a bunch of anarchists decided to form a society large enough to be viable and self sufficient, one of two things would happen: the US would turn it into a glass parking lot or ... The US would turn it into a glass parking lot.

[–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One of the closest things to a large anarchist society exists in the middle east, yet it doesn't get bombed by the US. This is because the kurds are fighting with the US against isis.

I generally agree with your opinions otherwise. Also, recommending multiple books/authors before giving general explanations will scare most people of.

[–] DharmaCurious@startrek.website 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I honestly lapsed on Rojava. My bad.

But also, the likelihood of the US doing some dirty shit there increases exponentially as soon as they seem to be viable. Right now, the entire region is so fragile I doubt it's considered worth messing with. As soon as it is, they'll be freed from the tyranny of their own autonomy. I really, really want to be wrong here.

Also, not super concerned about scaring off OP, they're a troll. Check the post history. But I was hoping that my comment might be read by someone else who might like the recommendations. But you're right, I should have put the post on reverse order.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago

Idk. The fucking turks are bombing the shit out of Rojava with American weapons as we speak. So we certainly aren’t helping by remaining friendly with Erdogan.

[–] 01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

glass parking lot?? what does that mean?? and that wouldnt happen because it wouldnt harm the usa... for example the usa doesnt harm communist countries, or very socialist countries

[–] InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

glass parking lot??

Sand+heat=glass. I'll let you fill in the rest from there.

usa doesnt harm communist countries

The US literally fought decades of wars specifically because communism was an intrinsic threat to its engrained political institutions.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You are familiar with Cuba, no? China? North Korea? Any left-leaning society in South America? The US has a well-established history of preemptively dismantling any leftist government not big enough to fight back.

[–] angrymouse@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Vietnam, North Korea and Chile were literally invasions

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 2 points 10 months ago

Don’t have time to look it up, but IIRC, Iran, Panama, and Grenada can be added to the list.