Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.

If you're a server admin, please defederate Meta's domain "threads.net"

If you don't run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate "threads.net".

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] Chozo@kbin.social -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

what happens to existing culture on fediverse

Likely nothing. If Threads users are problematic and Meta refuses to moderate them appropriately, then instances can defederate later.

Doing it preemptively or forming a pact is just absurd, though. It's treating the users of Threads as a threat, instead of Meta (who can and will still be able to harvest anything they want from the Fediverse, because that's how ActivityPub works), and that's not fair to them who didn't ask to be thrown into our community in the first place.

[–] sour@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

defederate later

problem often cause damage before is addressed

pre block be safer

threads users signed up for threads

[–] yOya@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

problem often causes damage before is addressed

pre block be safer

You build a bridge. After awhile it might start to decay and without proper upkeep it might even collapse! Better to never build a bridge in the first place.

[–] Dieinahole@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

I'd rather not build a bridge to the land of festering pustules to begin with

[–] Chozo@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If that's how you want to run your instance, that's your right to do. But for community-based instances, the users should have some say in the matter.

Yes, I can move to another instance if mine decides to defederate, but that's a lot of hassle that I'd have to go through because of a decision somebody else made for me, all because they can't or won't moderate themselves.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you don't like decisions somebody else makes for you, then run your own instance.

This isn't meant to be snarky, btw, it's a valid solution and one of the freedoms of the fediverse system.

[–] sour@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

hold vote

[–] liquidparasyte@pawb.social 1 points 10 months ago

Clearly you haven't dealt with a Mastodon instance having a major defederation event.

For most users, regardless of the validity of the defed, the user experience is terrible. Their social graph just suddenly, stops working, the people they follow can no longer see their posts, all because of the actions of a few bad actors or administration failures.

This paired with the fact that maybe only Firefish or Misskey lets you (mostly) seamlessly migrate to a new instance with your data intact, and the lack of a standard way to see what followers you will actually keep when you migrate, means that the defederation experience is sucks, and migrating to a different instance to escape that is a pain in the ass.

Meta has already shown it has piss poor moderation in the best of times, and actively boosts incendiary content in the worst of times, all while collecting, profiling, and exploiting your data. It's literally inevitable that they're going to break the rules of all but the free-est of free speech Instances, so for the privacy, safety, and headaches of everyone in the fediverse, we might as well save ourselves the trouble.**