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[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Not confusion, evolution. If people keep using the floppy disk icon to mean "portable small amount of data", the definition and icon for the same code point can easily get updated to reflect the generalized meaning and new media.

Arguably, the specification should not be for a "floppy disk" or "minidisk" or "DVD" or specific kind of storage media in the first place, they should've been for "portable storage media" and let everyone draw what's more fit for their demographic.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I always get a little bit annoyed with emoji because they had the opportunity to become an interesting pictographic language. But because of various insistences on them representing things rather than concepts we've sort of got stuck and the floppy disk have to be floppy disk is an example of that.

What I mean is things that are difficult to convey in language. Like how we've had to resort to /s and italics and bold to convey emphasis. All the open box symbol that is used to indicate a space rather than just having a gap.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you create a pictographic language and get others to use it, Unicode will include your characters. They included Chinese and other pictographic ways of writing, after all.

I don't think pictographic language is that great. Every picture has cultural associations (just look at the associations with 🍆, 🍑, or 🥺). If you would like to communicate through pictographic symbols representing concepts, there's a wide range of them that over a billion people use every day, and that is (almost) entirely included in Unicode already.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Chinese is of course not a pictographic language it's an alphabet like western alphabets.

We kind of have pictograms in Unicode already like ☢️ or ⚠️ or ⚡ which are universal even though they don't really represent things.

The radiation icon particular doesn't really make any kind of logical sense, radiation is in non-visual threat so there's no reason it should look like that, over anything else, and yet everyone knows that's what the symbol means. It's not a picture of something, it's the picture of a concept.

Equally there's no real reason that warning should be a triangle and electricity definitely doesn't look like that. Again though we kind of don't even think about it we just know what the symbols mean. With Chinese you actually have to learn the language like you have to learn english or you have to learn Italian.